Originally Posted by Father Of Giants (Post 3872750)

If you had to pick or recommend one uut of the two, which would you recommend?


I'm up for learning programming.

Originally Posted by JHZR2 (Post 3873183)

Electric cars may become the norm. At minimum, something like the actual intent of the BMW i3, which has a battery for true EV operations, and then a mere 35kW engine, to give non0-trivial charging capability and a little boost, but essentially always able to be operated optimally loaded for maxmium SFC and optimized pollution characteristics.

The energy density of liquid fuels is just so much higher. Not even close. Batteries/hybrids make a major benefit on consumption in many ways, but not pure range and operations untethered.

Our pollution laws turn great ideas like the i3 into stupid ones, where the engine can only run in certain scenarios when the battery is too low, etc.

So Id bet on hybrids, or actually more likely, PHEVs, to get the best of all worlds, and then the optimization on the engines being limited to a small dynamic range.

As for jobs? Nope. Just trading one thing for another. All the suspension/interior/etc will be the same or worse. Youre just trading an engine person for an inverter and battery person.

Originally Posted by jsp300D (Post 3873471)

The diagnose equipment should be only used as a direction of the fault but NEVER as precise indication.

Some fault codes are triggered by other factors. Let's say I had a car with P0340 (camshaft position sensor). But, the sensor is ok.

Turns out to be a faulty valve switch solenoid (VVTi). So not all faults are just one thing with these modern cars.

Originally Posted by jsp300D (Post 3873471)

I don't think EV will overtake ICE as alternative fuels should be introduced. EV is just a part of the start. I already see Volt on the scrapyard because of a broken battery. Car is only 3.5years old? So which car is making more pollution?

Because here in Europe an average battery pack will cost over 4000$ and the car after 4 years is 4000$. So economically its totaled.

Originally Posted by jake12tech (Post 3873618)

Not gonna happen any time soon. Diesel cars and trucks won’t go anywhere for at least 40 years or more. The cost of the batteries and the downtime to recharge is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by jake12tech (Post 3873618)

You think companies are gonna take a huge hit on some electric POS?

Those trucks need to run not sitting at a charging station while the driver is sticking his thumb up his, well you know!

Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 3873634)

"We are no where near an owner operator running an electric truck. "

Coca-Cola has been using all electric beverage delivery trucks for some years now in the Los Angeles basin .

I always wonder ow far such a heavy vehicle can go when loaded .

Originally Posted by 97 SL320 (Post 3873631)

For over the road trucks, there will be a battery change out for faster turn around. The first to try this will be freight companies for depot to depot runs since this is a stable route with known energy requirements.

Next will be inner city routes where energy use is slightly more variable and then suburb / rural routes where the trip routs is less stable. We are no where near an owner operator running an electric truck.

The real future is natural gas, UPS has moved many trucks to this fuel. I've also seen gas turbine / electric drive trucks in the design phase. This is a real alternative to 100 % electric. A small battery pack can be used for yard moves and the turbine on the road. This battery also gives the option of recovering energy lost in braking.

Also, battery powered mini excavators exist right now from many manufacturers. Enter " battery powered excavator " in your google machine. The target is in a building where fumes can't be contained / exhausted.



When anyone starts to leans towards " language " to make their point and randomly says things are " junk " without any real reasons to back it up, that tells me that they don't understand the problem.

Originally Posted by 97 SL320 (Post 3873701)

Owner / operator is a guy that bought his own truck and moves loads for others. This can be on his trailer or someone eases trailer.

Truck fleets have fixed depots where charging and battery change out infrastructure can be located. Until a battery standard is adhered to and on the road facilities built out, the OO won't get an electric truck.

I'm guessing that this same discussion occurred when wind power moved to water wheels to steam to gasoline.