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Wusha 07-13-2019 08:01 PM

W123 Painted Cluster needles and Retrofitted LED's
 
Needles used Testors Tangerine Orange and Testors Paint thinner 3:1 ratio. The paint thinner helps avoid brush marks caused by the thick paint.

https://i.imgur.com/Sk10aMn.jpg?1https://i.imgur.com/HFjYclh.jpg
From left to right:
1)Blue- High Beam
2)Red - Battery
3)Amber - Brake pad wear sensors
4)Red - Parking Brake

Not shown:
5) Amber - Seat belt
6) Amber - Glow Plugs

The prism / fiber optics are both Amber. Also replaced the turn signals, Octopus, and Hazard light switch with Leds.

The cluster small bulb 74's are a ***** because the original bulbs are soldered onto the plastic twist off cap. Had to solder my own wire to the new LED's and solder them to the metal connections that hold the plastic cap to the cluster board.

https://i.imgur.com/lvm6fio.jpg
https://d114hh0cykhyb0.cloudfront.ne...wedge-base.jpg


If anyone has a spare cluster plastic lens/cover, and or the indicator icons...shoot me a PM.

jay_bob 07-14-2019 07:26 AM

Looks great.

One thing though. You will have to keep the 3 W incandescent bulb in the battery light. It needs this for the alternator to charge properly. The electrical characteristics of LEDs are incompatible with the voltage regulator.

okyoureabeast 07-14-2019 11:37 AM

Jaybob, could not a regulator of sorts fix this?

party 07-14-2019 12:05 PM

Can anyone tell me what the benefit to putting LEDs in idiot lights is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by okyoureabeast (Post 3939286)
Jaybob, could not a regulator of sorts fix this?

No.

BWhitmore 07-14-2019 12:12 PM

I am not sure if LED bulbs give off more or less heat. If more heat, there may be a concern with distorting the indicator icon films.

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Wusha 07-14-2019 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay_bob (Post 3939222)
Looks great.

One thing though. You will have to keep the 3 W incandescent bulb in the battery light. It needs this for the alternator to charge properly. The electrical characteristics of LEDs are incompatible with the voltage regulator.

Thanks,

Could you elaborate for sake of my own ignorance? How does a 3w bulb allow the alternator to charge? (My car is a 1983 300D turbo , if that changes anything)

I will look into this. Thank you for the warning

BWhitmore 07-14-2019 06:20 PM

The 3w bulb provides resistance which is needed to allow the alternator to charge. Mercedes automobiles are very sensitive concerning the wattage of bulbs used in the tail and stop lights also. Not using the correct wattage bulb will disable the cruise control.

vwnate1 07-14-2019 09:38 PM

Spare Binnacle Lens
 
Your gauge needles look great ! .

When asking for parts, always give your location, you'll be pleased by the response from folks you didn't even know lived near you that have parts.....

okyoureabeast 07-14-2019 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by party (Post 3939294)
Can anyone tell me what the benefit to putting LEDs in idiot lights is?



No.

Pardon me, my electrical engineering know-how is next to nothing.

I meant, couldn't we add a resistor post LED to create the same effect?

Edit: love the safety hat orange too OP!

Mike D 07-14-2019 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWhitmore (Post 3939373)
The 3w bulb provides resistance which is needed to allow the alternator to charge. Mercedes automobiles are very sensitive concerning the wattage of bulbs used in the tail and stop lights also. Not using the correct wattage bulb will disable the cruise control.

Not doubting you as the German engineers are not all that adept in regards to how electricity works in fact, they treat it as though it has some "mystical" properties beyond mere human comprehension, but I am questioning whether the use of a front/rear/tail light marker LED bulb would have any effect on the cruise control.

I can see the stop/brake light bulb having an effect but the marker/tail?

I don't think the lighting circuit is involved with the cruise since it can be engaged without the lights but I've been wrong many times before.

Wusha 07-14-2019 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vwnate1 (Post 3939468)
Your gauge needles look great ! .

When asking for parts, always give your location, you'll be pleased by the response from folks you didn't even know lived near you that have parts.....

Thank you and for the tip

BWhitmore 07-14-2019 10:28 PM

I mis-spoke. . The stop light bulb resistance is the bulb that will have an effect on the cruise control, not the tail light bulbs. This issue has been discussed many times on this forum. Refer to posts by James Dean, the forum cruise control expert.

jhtanglewood 07-14-2019 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 3939479)
Not doubting you as the German engineers are not all that adept in regards to how electricity works in fact, they treat it as though it has some "mystical" properties beyond mere human comprehension, but I am questioning whether the use of a front/rear/tail light marker LED bulb would have any effect on the cruise control.

I can see the stop/brake light bulb having an effect but the marker/tail?

I don't think the lighting circuit is involved with the cruise since it can be engaged without the lights but I've been wrong many times before.

Only LED brake lights will affect the cruise control, I found this out the hard way and with help from the forum here. The tail lights, reverse lights and blinkers will not affect it (although the blinkers need resistors to blink correctly).


To the OP - I would take a night drive to see how bright the new LED bright light indicator is. I had to put the original incandescent bulb back in because it lit up half my car.

Wusha 07-14-2019 10:50 PM

@JayBob

Is the recharging ability of the alternator affected because of LED polarity or something else?

The LED on my Battery light is non-polar, just like the 74 bulbs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWhitmore (Post 3939488)
I mis-spoke. . The stop light bulb resistance is the bulb that will have an effect on the cruise control, not the tail light bulbs. This issue has been discussed many times on this forum. Refer to posts by James Dean, the forum cruise control expert.

Only able to find 3-4 threads from him. Non bulb related.

EDIT: The correct username is JamesDean , no space.


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