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Originally Posted by BillGrissom (Post 3966882)

Their body shop usually says "can't repair", because they are idiots or lazy.

No, body shops don't want to lose money on the job.

Fixing a long obsolete car is very time consuming and owners of daily driver and below cars will scream and cry how the repair isn't perfect, the new paint does not match 40 year old faded paint and how long the repair took.

Next time you need a repair on one of these cars, take it to a high end restoration shop not a generic body shop. Just be sure not to complain about the cost.

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Originally Posted by pawoSD (Post 3964308)

Again, I don't rely on anecdotal data from a individual to form an opinion. While I have every confidence that you sincerely believe that the M11X engines are superior, you've left out the fact that the OM61X motors yield much better economy at city or highway speeds and have literally hundreds of examples of lasting well past 300K miles with only basic maintenance.

Yes the newer motors are much faster and don't need valve adjustment, but they're not as economical in everyday conditions or as durable to own no matter the mileage or conditions. Perhaps this is why taxi drivers the world over still love them!

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Originally Posted by pawoSD (Post 3964308)

How are they not exceptional? They are remarkably reliable, can match or surpass the OM61x in durability and are twice as powerful or more, run cleaner, much lower maintenance. I love the OM61x motors but I'm not going to say they are superior to the M112 or M113 (or OM648) motors....because they're not.

A stock M112 powered E320 can easily surpass 30MPG on the highway, is less than half as loud, and makes 80% more power stock.....and will readily go 300k+ miles with no problems and much less recurring maintenance.

My brother's E400 has 329hp, and 354lbs torque at 1600rpm....and can get 33mpg going 75mph at around 1,600rpm in near silence. Cars have come a LONG ways since the 70's/80's.

You know, I've always wondered what would happen if a modern fuel rail system was put onto an om61x.

Beyond the loss of reliability, I'd be curious if the fuel economy would jump to 30+.

It's weird how these cars have gone from, "quirky old cars" to straight up collectors/classic cars.

The weird thing is seeing cars from the 90s starting to get that same, "it's a classic car". I can't believe those cars will one day be considered classic.

My tracked, measured and recorded fuel economy is 24 city, 36mpg (US) highway in my 1984 300D NA Auto (Euro). My W115 240d hasn't passed 30 mpg yet, despite having one less cylinder, but is in need of a mechanical restoration. Even though they'll take neglect, these cars need love and care to perform as originally designed. We're getting there!

The W123 has been fully restored by Mark Cosovich here in the UK and performs like new. It has a couple "add ons" like the aluminum "steelie" wheels and low rolling resistance Michelin tires. Other than that, it's factory original.

Anything after the W124 will never be regarded as a Classic. History is the one thing that can't be erased by even the best of Marketing.