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Old 06-11-2022, 01:35 PM
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Angry Change out your radiator if you think it is old or Original.

My car 1987 300D had a near death experience last week. It was turning 400k miles on the way back from San Francisco. A milestone reached so to speak. However, when it was climbing Los Angeles National Forest the radiator neck snapped and lost most, if not all, coolant. It overheat big time. Luckily we were near the top of the climb and limped to

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The break wasn't a clean break and I couldn't attach the upper hose back on. I had it tow home. Ordered a new radiator and car is now back on the road. So check your radiator and change it out if necessary, plastic radiator is prone to breakage.
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Old 06-11-2022, 03:14 PM
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Yes, plastic end tanks on radiators (and intercoolers) don't make sense for parts longevity.

My new DD, 'Kjetteri', developed a mystery coolant leak with a tiny bit of foam in the coolant expansion tank.
Turned out to be a cracked plastic radiator nipple, and not a head gasket failure.

On Monday morning I bought a 3/4' X 1/2" PVC coupling and 2 oz of epoxy putty to repair the nipple in the afternoon after the car was cold.

On the way to work, steam started wisping out of the left front of the hood, so I did an emergency roadside repair.

The plastic end tank still leaks a tiny bit of steam from a crack between the top overflow nipple and the top hose nipple.
A replacement radiator will be installed...if I end up keeping this 'Heresy'.
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Old 06-11-2022, 05:26 PM
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If you need a hand with anything I’m not too far away. I can grab a radiator from my 94 and bring it to you.
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I just had a coolant bottle explode.
No excessive pressure, possible prior trauma from an overheat long before I got the car, but has been fine for years now.
I went ahead and replaced the overflow tank and cap just in case, car is running a-ok again, incredibly it blew out in my driveway right as I got home one day.
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Old 06-12-2022, 09:01 PM
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I just had a coolant bottle explode.
No excessive pressure, possible prior trauma from an overheat long before I got the car, but has been fine for years now.
I went ahead and replaced the overflow tank and cap just in case, car is running a-ok again, incredibly it blew out in my driveway right as I got home one day.

Mine blew on my 83 300D after only 3 laps of a track, then I drove it like that for like 3000 miles including a giant roadtrip, before replacing it with the new style with the wonderful baffles and the level sensor blockoff
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Old 06-11-2022, 06:20 PM
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It happened to me when I used to own the w126 1989 300SE.
Luckily right before entering the freeway bridge entrance on Turkey day!
I stopped immediately.
Fetched some water from a near by store.
was able to keep the neck closed with the 'mechanical' hose pressure,long enough to drive back home. (maybe 6 miles).
Did not overheat.
I think I saw the steam just before entering the freeway... long ago....

replaced the thermostat cover with an aluminum one, the original was plastic, and also replaced the radiator because the neck edges were deteriorating.
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It happened to me and about a year latter it needed a head gasket and the head flatted. That's one pattern I've seen several times before.
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Glad you have it running again, and it wasn't too catastrophic.
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For those with W123 300D, new radiators are now affordable. I got one for $130 vs used to be $350. That solved the overheating in my 1985 300D after trying many other things over years, even another used radiator first left sitting with citric acid for a week. That climb on I-5 N out of the L.A. Basin, on a >100 F day, is where I have heard new car coolant designs are verified. If you go up the grade slower, that will reduce the horsepower output of the engine, if fighting an overheating issue.
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That climb on I-5 N out of the L.A. Basin, on a >100 F day, is where I have heard new car coolant designs are verified.
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When needing to verify work I’d done to my cooling system, this was the proving ground.
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Uncle Kent sells a reinforcement kit which is quite effective at preventing this exact issue.
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Old 06-12-2022, 09:50 AM
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My car 1987 300D had a near death experience last week. It was turning 400k miles on the way back from San Francisco. A milestone reached so to speak. However, when it was climbing Los Angeles National Forest the radiator neck snapped and lost most, if not all, coolant. It overheat big time. Luckily we were near the top of the climb and limped to

Fort Tejon State Historic Park

https://g.co/kgs/TjZDaU

The break wasn't a clean break and I couldn't attach the upper hose back on. I had it tow home. Ordered a new radiator and car is now back on the road. So check your radiator and change it out if necessary, plastic radiator is prone to breakage.

MS in Bellingham has issued a warning on this and recommends a copper sleeve inserted inside with epoxy to reinforce it. He sells the components. it is a known problem and why these car companies think that plastic radiators caps are acceptable is beyond me.
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You can reinforce it all you want but the breakage is at the base of the neck and took out a bit of the body itself. Basically no 'neck' left. The kit would not help. The breakage is a crapshoot thing so you take your own risk.
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Old 06-18-2022, 11:03 AM
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You can reinforce it all you want but the breakage is at the base of the neck and took out a bit of the body itself. Basically no 'neck' left. The kit would not help. The breakage is a crapshoot thing so you take your own risk.



We have read here that the upper plastic nipple on the radiator cracked at the base of the neck and another person said it cracked further out. I suspect unless Kent's idea of a copper sleeve/epoxy reinforcement would help if for no other reason than it spreads the stress out all over and around the hose nipple. I decided to do my own version using the MS method. I used powdered copper as an epoxy thickener which gives astounding strength probably better than the powdered aluminum of JB weld. I also cut pieces of graphite cloth/epoxy around the base and up to the flange for the hose, carrying the load almost an inch on to the radiator cap housing all around to a thickness of 3/16-1/4". This gives what amounts to an epoxy gusset. Curious that nobody mentioned failure of the lower radiator hose nipple, perhaps because it probably runs a little cooler?
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We have read here that the upper plastic nipple on the radiator cracked at the base of the neck and another person said it cracked further out. I suspect unless Kent's idea of a copper sleeve/epoxy reinforcement would help if for no other reason than it spreads the stress out all over and around the hose nipple. I decided to do my own version using the MS method. I used powdered copper as an epoxy thickener which gives astounding strength probably better than the powdered aluminum of JB weld. I also cut pieces of graphite cloth/epoxy around the base and up to the flange for the hose, carrying the load almost an inch on to the radiator cap housing all around to a thickness of 3/16-1/4". This gives what amounts to an epoxy gusset. Curious that nobody mentioned failure of the lower radiator hose nipple, perhaps because it probably runs a little cooler?
This is my take. You can reinforce it all you want but it doesn't resolve the fundamental problem of plastic fatigue. The breakage can be at the neck, at the neck base or thereabouts. You may end up with no neck to speak of. This is what happens to me at the most inopportune time. If the car is a keeper then just replace it for not so much money. I have a #14 head on the 87 300D so any overheating is a death nail. If you want to do any preventative maintenance then this is it.
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