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Old 05-23-2023, 03:22 PM
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82' 300D (automatic) Suddenly No Gears

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I just go into my 82' 300D (301k miles), and it won't change gear position at all. I have tried every gear position, but it stays in park or neutral. No sign of life at all, no clunking or moving.

I did the fluid and filter about 14k miles ago, and it's always shifted ok. A tiny bit jerky when cold, but perfect after a few minutes. Very occassionally, it would take a few seconds to shift from P to D when cold.

It's my daily driver, and there have been no signs of impending failure. I always thought the transmission pump was a little bit noisy in this car, but a mechanic friend of mine heard it last year and wasn't concered.

Where do I start? Fluid looks ok. I'm hoping it's a linkage issue?

Thank you.

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Old 05-23-2023, 08:27 PM
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If you suddenly have no gears at all, and the shifter linkage has not come loose, about the only thing that could mean is your front pump is bad. I have also seen the ears shear off them when the transmission is reinstalled incorrectly. It might work for a while but eventually shears off.
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Old 05-23-2023, 08:44 PM
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Although you'd probably feel something, it could be that the output flange came loose on the end of the transmission.

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Old 05-24-2023, 01:16 PM
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If you suddenly have no gears at all, and the shifter linkage has not come loose, about the only thing that could mean is your front pump is bad. I have also seen the ears shear off them when the transmission is reinstalled incorrectly. It might work for a while but eventually shears off.
Just checked, linkages look good. I also cracked the trans cooler line while running, and the fluid came out at a pretty good pace. I assume that means pump is working also?
If not, do you know of any good tests for the pump?
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Old 05-24-2023, 01:17 PM
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Although you'd probably feel something, it could be that the output flange came loose on the end of the transmission.

Good luck!!!
Just checked, and driveline looks good.
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Old 05-24-2023, 01:49 PM
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Have the trans valve body cleaned and replace fluid and filter.

Worst case scenario is that your clutches are bad,but sudden onset may just be debri blocking the valve...
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Old 05-24-2023, 02:34 PM
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Have heard of TransX being good for cleaning valve body components. Probably cannot hurt because if it doesn't work it has to come apart anyway or be replaced.

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Old 05-24-2023, 02:35 PM
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Have the trans valve body cleaned and replace fluid and filter.

Worst case scenario is that your clutches are bad,but sudden onset may just be debri blocking the valve...
Now there's a thought. That actually makes a lot of sense. I was stumped as to why the car would suddenly go from shifting nicely to not shifting at all. I will investigate, thank you.
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Old 05-24-2023, 02:36 PM
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Have heard of TransX being good for cleaning valve body components. Probably cannot hurt because if it doesn't work it has to come apart anyway or be replaced.

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Good idea.. do you think it will do a decent job cleaning if it's not going into gear?
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Old 05-24-2023, 08:49 PM
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We have the same concern about its effectiveness in this situation but id still try and maybe give it a little extra time.

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Old 05-24-2023, 08:57 PM
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BG makes Trans Clean. Ive never used it but anything I have used from BG has been excellent. It can be ordered online.
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Old 05-24-2023, 11:58 PM
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Drain it and see what comes out and drop the pan and see what is in the bottom.

When I had shift issues changing the filter and fluid helped for a while.

Part of the issue sounds like a classic in B2 piston or band failure but normally when that happens you are supposed to have reverse.
I don't know if the B2 band breaks if you can still get reverse.

Way in the past people have had springs break inside of the valve body.
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Old 05-28-2023, 07:15 PM
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Update on this: finally found the time to check pressures and found the issue: main/working pressure is supposed to be 212 - 239 PSI. Mine is at 62psi at idle, when I add throttle (any amount) it only bumps up to 67psi.
So, I assume the pump has failed. At this point, I'll most likely just go with a rebuilt unit from Sun Valley.

Just need to decide if I want to attempt the R&R myself or not..
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Old 05-28-2023, 08:56 PM
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does the pressure also depend on vacuum?? if so check your vac lines first!!
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Old 05-28-2023, 09:09 PM
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does the pressure also depend on vacuum?? if so check your vac lines first!!
The manual I found says to unhook the vacuum line when running the test. So, I suppose it would affect it, but I eliminated that possibility.

I did discover a new idea, however: I may need to look at my "working pressure control valve" in the valve body.
Does anyone know, if an issue with that valve would cause my symptoms?

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