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Old 09-27-2024, 01:01 PM
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Cigar hose? Where does this run from/to? Is this an automatic transmission thing?
Not at all. Recommend using the search if there are terms you don’t understand. There is a huge amount of prior knowledge in these forums.

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Old 09-27-2024, 08:02 PM
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Interested in hearing more about this.
What occurs and how might it be prevented?
Lots in the archives, but essentially the vacuum pump has a roller that conveniently dumps its bearings into the chain.
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@nelstomlinson - The cigar hose is used from the factory on every 615, 616 & 617 diesel both manual and automatic transmission I've seen. The hose is black rubber and is noticeably wider in the mid-section than where it attaches to both ends of the fuel line. I also believe it is more pliable than most rubber hose which allows it to absorb some of the pulsing in the fuel system. It is located on the left side of the engine bay in the line between the tank and the engine.


@keystoner16 - Re: preventing vacuum pump failure leading to major engine problems, the most effective method is to eliminate the mechanical pump and use an electric vacuum pump. If I had an OM engine that I wanted to last forever I'd probably do the conversion.
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Interested in hearing more about this.
What occurs and how might it be prevented?
Yeah...

Such a sad failure condition.
Some failures result in oil pump blockage instead, giving the main and rod bearings starved for oil...

Replace the pump with a NEW one...
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Thanks, Sugarbear. I don't remember seeing one like that on my rig, so it's probably been replaced with straight hose by a previous owner. The genuine MB hose is surprisingly cheap on peachparts, so there's one on the way now. Now I just need to figure out where it goes...
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Oof...

Yeah, classic vacuum pump device failure...
Often repairable, but time consuming.
So that's what happened. I'm almost tempted to start taking it apart and see how hard it would be to fix. Almost.

Nah. I already bought another car.
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So will this be good bye then Skippy?
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Old 09-29-2024, 03:56 AM
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So that's what happened. I'm almost tempted to start taking it apart and see how hard it would be to fix. Almost.

Nah. I already bought another car.
Most likely, the cam gear is still properly timed, and the flat facing of the valves, means replace the cam, valve cover, and vacuum pump repair, along with an oil change could get the car back running again.

However, the exhaust valves are hollow, and filled with sodium, so, if they took the hit, they could fail, destroying the engine… so, a new set of valves would be wise.
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So will this be good bye then Skippy?
For a while at least. I was looking at replacing my Jaguar with an SL600, but every one I'm interested in gets sold before I can look at it.
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Skippy, with that manual conversion, that car is worth fixing.
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Skippy, with that manual conversion, that car is worth fixing.
When I got rearended in 2013, I went with that line of thinking and got another 11 years out of it. This time around, parts availability has gotten worse, I already have a project car, and I went and bought another daily driver already.

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That sucks. Seems really odd (unlikely) that would happen.

Regarding the "cigar hose", I use a regular hose but read here that
making it longer and looping it keeps an air bubble in there that will
suppress the fuel pulses.
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Yeah...

Such a sad failure condition.
Some failures result in oil pump blockage instead, giving the main and rod bearings starved for oil...

Replace the pump with a NEW one...
Is it not an option to remove the vacuum pump and replace the bearing in question with a better bearing that will not do this??
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Is it not an option to remove the vacuum pump and replace the bearing in question with a better bearing that will not do this??
Ykobayashi performed that mod a few years ago if you search for it.
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Is it not an option to remove the vacuum pump and replace the bearing in question with a better bearing that will not do this??
There isn’t a better bearing. There are better designed vacuum pumps, but the problem is the cage containing the bearing balls wears, resulting in uneven pressure on the warble plate in the timing device. That wear gets amplified, and the bearing dumps the balls. Some get wedged in the chain, and the timing is altersped, then valve contact with piston, and bam. Cam snaps, timing cover shatters…
but I imagine if regular bearing replacement was followed, it could be maintained.

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