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BrierS 07-16-2004 03:50 PM

gsxr,
Okay. Today's run resulted in 11.9 seconds. Changes since yesterday include removed everything as shown in your photo, replaced numerous vacuum line rubber connections (several quite likely leaked), improved the connection of the single line that goes into the "vacuum control valve" shown as #65 on the schematic and what I have been calling the modulator, freed the micro type switch under the throttle pedal so it "clicks." Before doing all of the above the shifting flared between 2 & 3 and it no longer does.

I am quite pleased with the changes and need to tackle other projects.

If I put a boost gauge (small LED one offered by Speedshop.org) where would I plumb it into?
Steve

gsxr 07-17-2004 02:24 PM

Sounds great! :D They're sure nice cars once you get them running as Mercedes intended them to, huh?

If you were to add a boost gauge, I would plumb it with a "T" close to the ALDA, or at least into the line the feeds the ALDA.

:cool:

arvsreyes 06-11-2013 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr (Post 673001)
Here's a list of some of the more useful part numbers for rebuilding the vacuum system on an OM60x, and/or most 85-up MB's. (I think the older cars used more solid colors, I didn't experiment with ordering those.) I found on the EPC that the same part number can have a different description depending on what chassis you look up. Some chassis have more info than others. For a list, go to the "Intake & Exhaust Manifold" group in the engine section, then look at the general parts diagram. Try this with several chassis (123, 124, 210 for example). I also found out that the pictures don't always match up, and some may appear identical but can have widely differing sizes - which is often NOT mentioned in the EPC! So I've been ordering select items (1 each) to figure out what's what.

Unfortunately some parts have rolled to generic replacements, so we can never return the car to "original" condition. For instance, gray pipe was replaced with black, the brown/blue (for I/P shutoff circuit) has also been superceded to generic stuff, as well as the black w/white stripe to the transmission. The hassle with this is that the colors actually MEAN something, and when you use plain items instead it can be confusing. Black is normally a vent line to the interior, and MB has seen fit to supercede some p/n's to black. OK, enough rambling, here's the currently available p/n's that I've confirmed:

Vacuum line ("plastic" Tecalan pipe, 4mm OD, 1mm ID)
=====================================================
000-158-14-35 - Transparent (sort of white)
000-158-35-35 - Red?
000-158-88-35 - Transparent with brown stripe
000-158-89-35 - Transparent with red stripe
000-158-90-35 - Transparent with yellow stripe
000-158-91-35 - Transparent with blue stripe
000-158-92-35 - Transparent with gray stripe
000-158-93-35 - Transparent with black stripe
000-158-94-35 - Transparent with green stripe
000-158-96-35 - Transparent with violet & brown stripe
000-158-97-35 - Transparent with violet & red stripe
000-158-98-35 - Transparent with violet & yellow stripe
000-158-99-35 - Transparent with violet & blue stripe
000-997-39-52 - Brown
001-997-81-52 - Black
116-276-06-30 - Black with white lettering
123-276-16-30 - Black with red stripe


Rubber fittings & hose (3.5mm ID)
==========================
117-078-02-81 - 90-degree "L" shaped fitting
117-078-05-81 - 45-degree "V" shaped fitting
117-997-09-82 - Rubber hose (order by the meter)


Black "loom" (looks like heat shrink tube)
===========================================
040621-008200 - 8mm ID
040621-011200 - 11mm ID (most useful on my car)
040621-012200 - 12mm ID
040621-014200 - 14mm ID
(notice the pattern here? Larger & smaller are available too...)


Branch fittings (splitters)
===========================================
601-078-02-45 - "Y" shaped 2-port branch fitting (1 in, 2 out)
601-078-04-45 - "Y" shaped 3-port branch fitting (1 in, 3 out)
601-078-05-45 - "Y" shaped 4-port branch fitting (1 in, 4 out)
601-078-06-45 - "F" shaped 2-port branch fitting (1 in, 2 out)


The boost pressure line on the OM617's is larger than the vacuum stuff. The OM60x engine boost line is the same as the vacuum stuff (4mm OD). Anyway:

617-070-07-81 - Line from intake to s/o valve
617-070-06-81 - Line from s/o valve to ALDA

They're relatively cheap, and I think they include the metal fitting on the end.


Most of the pipe & loom is $3-$5 per meter (had been much cheaper, but MB is trying to make a bundle on parts now. :mad: ) If you haven't replaced them in your car, it's a good idea to just do it. Total cost is probably less than $40. It's amazing how much of that stuff snaps like twigs when you start removing it!


:euro:



Hi Dave,

I hope you can help me on some questions -

1)I also have a 124 300td. Do you have a listing/quantity of the of what is needed if I were to replace all vacuum lines + rubber tubings?

2) do you really need the 90-degree and 45 degree rubber fittings or you can just use the straight ones?

3) where do you use the ones with the bigger diameters? (8,11,12,14) I only saw one rubber fitting that is bigger than the rest. The one that is going to the vaccuum reservoir.

What is the part number that goes to the vacuum reservoir? It is normal in size in one end and bigger towards the reservoir

4) I see some rubber lines with metal clamps. Example would be the ones going to switchover valves. Are these special rubber tubings or I can just use the generic “straight” rubber hose (117-997-09-82) and just re-use the clamps?

5) the rubber hoses going to the VCV. They have an “I” flange at the bottom. What do you replace them with?

6) Would silicone be a good option to replace the rubber fittings?

thanks

gsxr 06-11-2013 07:50 PM

1) Nope, sorry, you'll need to inventory under your hood.
2) It depends on the location. Most of the time, yes, you really need the angled fittings.
3) Larger diameters are on the vent tubes and, IIRC, for the vac reservoir.
4) Clamped tubes are for pressure, not vacuum. The hose isn't special, generic is fine.
5) The one "shaped" hose on the VCV should be available via the dealer if required.
6) Silicone might be ok if the size is correct, but I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle / expense.

:zorro:

Kincaidj 06-17-2013 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr (Post 673085)
LOL... uh, thanks! To get it that clean, you have to start with a southern or western vehicle with zero rust. Then replace the cylinder head so everything has to come out, then go nuts with a rag and WD-40... and replace ugly parts with new, like the platic coolant tank! (It's starting to turn that nice yellow color already, 2.5 years & 20kmi later...)

:D

Here's another teaser from back then... it's not as clean now, I actually drive it, so it's kinda dusty...

http://www.W124performance.com/image...ent/clean8.jpg


Can I ask where you got the small white filter just below the "F" fitting? I had an orange one that broke.

gsxr 06-17-2013 11:59 AM

The filter (aka "strainer") is shown in the EPC, engine group 14, subgroup 135. Part number is: 000-078-04-56

Current MSRP is $8.50.

:zorro:

Billie 09-05-2020 03:51 PM

I have a 1993 Mercedes 300D 2.5 Turbo OM602. I am not looking to increase power or eliminate any hoses/lines. I would just like to replace all of mine because they all appear to be original and in bad condition. I am sure some are leaking because my fuel shutoff does not work every time I turn the key to off.

The problem I am having is that some Black Rubber hoses appear to be larger than others, for instance, the hose on the EGR appear to be larger.

Can someone help me out with identifyin the diameter of inside diamater of the hose/lines.

Shern 10-28-2020 12:01 PM

Can anyone tell me if these are the same specs for w123/om61x ?

Vacuum line ("plastic" Tecalan pipe, 4mm OD, 1mm ID)
=====================================================
000-158-14-35 - Transparent (sort of white)
000-158-35-35 - Red?
000-158-88-35 - Transparent with brown stripe
000-158-89-35 - Transparent with red stripe
000-158-90-35 - Transparent with yellow stripe
000-158-91-35 - Transparent with blue stripe
000-158-92-35 - Transparent with gray stripe
000-158-93-35 - Transparent with black stripe
000-158-94-35 - Transparent with green stripe
000-158-96-35 - Transparent with violet & brown stripe
000-158-97-35 - Transparent with violet & red stripe
000-158-98-35 - Transparent with violet & yellow stripe
000-158-99-35 - Transparent with violet & blue stripe
000-997-39-52 - Brown
001-997-81-52 - Black
116-276-06-30 - Black with white lettering
123-276-16-30 - Black with red stripe


Rubber fittings & hose (3.5mm ID)
==========================
117-078-02-81 - 90-degree "L" shaped fitting
117-078-05-81 - 45-degree "V" shaped fitting
117-997-09-82 - Rubber hose (order by the meter)


Black "loom" (looks like heat shrink tube)
===========================================
040621-008200 - 8mm ID
040621-011200 - 11mm ID (most useful on my car)
040621-012200 - 12mm ID
040621-014200 - 14mm ID
(notice the pattern here? Larger & smaller are available too...)


Branch fittings (splitters)
===========================================
601-078-02-45 - "Y" shaped 2-port branch fitting (1 in, 2 out)
601-078-04-45 - "Y" shaped 3-port branch fitting (1 in, 3 out)
601-078-05-45 - "Y" shaped 4-port branch fitting (1 in, 4 out)
601-078-06-45 - "F" shaped 2-port branch fitting (1 in, 2 out)


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