5 speed gearbox from MB modell 124
 

Hey! Look what i came across:
http://www.smt.nu/default.asp?Expand=15&Display=24 (Tricky link, refresh or copy/paste)
:D

You have to do some cutting in the transmission housing to accommodate the starter, that's supposedly it.

Price is ~ $330 ex. taxes.

Heard of other people using some of their other adapter plates to OM617 in to Volvos with stock transmission with great results, no complains.

I cant tell how they are clearing the starter, but it looks promising. I f someone wanted one of these in the states, does it say if they will ship overseas?

False hope.

please explain

$330 is far too cheap for the work and fabrication involved.

looking at the pictures they both look like simple laser or water jet parts. apart from the material and the designers time they dont look labor intensive at all. do you have direct experience with this fabricator or this part set?

Well that's the price, 3.000 SEK. Adapters for Volvo M47 to 300D and Range Rover to 300D from the same company are reportedly working fine.

can you get any info directly related to 300D swap? I looked at the site but my Finnish is not up to par :rolleyes: I would like to know what parts they use for the flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, throw out fork etc> If these are from the 124 trans or from a 300D manual application. also do they sell or specify the pilot bearing? Thanx

Not Finnish, Swedish... :cool:
I do believe they use the 124 pressure plate and 123 flywheel. I'll check it out for you. The bearing is included in the kit.

Its a little expensive but it does look like a great alternative for a 5 speed.

Are there many 5 speed w124 in the states?

Anyone know the box ratios in the w124?

Yes! We need more info from somebody who speaks sweed. (And a picture of the other side of the engine.)

It looks like what they are doing is moving the transmission backwards slightly, blocking off the starter 'wart' on the left side and using the adaptors to create a new one on the right side. The replacement bearing must move the clutch disk forward to compensate for the shifting back of the tranny.

News, you use the 300D flywheel and pressure plate, a 215 mm clutch disc with the same splines as the 124.

Great, a 300D flywheel is almost as hard to find as a 5 speed is. :(

Do you absolutely HAVE to use the 300D flywheel, or is that just what they use since they have them?

How about a Volvo trans?
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smt.nu%2Fdefault.asp%3FExpand%3D1%26Display%3D12&sl=sv&tl =en

Also, where are you seeing the prices listed? I must be overlooking them.

I suppose a 240D, or any one for that matter, will do, the shop told me to use my old one.

I mailed them. They've got great response time.

this should be the same getrag thats in the w201's I have 2 of those, they are fairly easy to find in gassers

it looks to be about the same thickness as the 300D adapter plate, it looks like the trans is clocked about 15-20 degrees but I think it looks about the same rearward spacing.the pilot bearing difference might just be the pilot diameter on the end of the input shaft may be a different diameter

You said that price excludes tax? Thankfully we don't have to pay the 25% VAT in the US, but in general when shipping items from Sweden to the US the amount VAT would add ends up being what it costs to air freight things to us.
Cheapest way to get them here is to do a group buy of them and have them pack everything onto a pallet and send it sea freight. Then someone in the US just unpacks the pallet and sends the plates across the US. I've been involved in several group buys from Sweden that worked this way much much cheaper than airmail.


I'd look elsewhere. We Volvo drivers have a habit of shredding the Volvo M46 and M47 5-speeds with stock power (torque really). Adapterplates are popular for fitting the T5 (Ford and GM) and the Getrag (BMW) to the Volvo motors.

Cheapest way to get them here is to do a group buy of them and have them pack everything onto a pallet and send it sea freight. Then someone in the US just unpacks the pallet and sends the plates across the US. I've been involved in several group buys from Sweden that worked this way much much cheaper than airmail.............................................
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Plann??,,,,,,,,, Mann!

You took the words right out of my mouth! I just replaced the trans in my 190D, and was wondering how I could adapt one to fit a 300. Yes, they (5 spd 201's) are fairly easy to find in the States.

whats going on wiht this

not a thing, no money in it. if there was a market I would pursue a solution, but each time I post an exploritory thread with a solution the thread goes off on a tangent and in the end no one wants to pay anything to put a non stock trans in their car.

how much are we talking

I posted a thread about a getrag 265 5 speed to 61X bell for around $600 that would be a bolt in with stock over the counter BMW and MB parts. the thread went so far off on a tangent I deleted it. I could design and make a spacer plate to bolt the W201 getrag 5spd to the 61X engine for a similar amount but it is not as good a solution in my opinion due to the starter postion and bolt alignment issues. At this point I have a 5 speed for a 617 so the work was strictly for a modest profit and as a way for guys to get a 5 speed but there just seems to be too much risk of getting stuck with an expensive tool or a lot of metal and no market. I got a great deal on my 5 speed at $500 and another $300 for a shifter. so I feel like the numbers I am quoting are not so far off and the availability of transmissions and parts is much, much better. I waited 1.5 years for a transmission and another 6 months for a shifter from Germany. Ive seen the w123 5 speed kits go for 2K.

about 300 of the 300E 5spds
 

I know when I bought my 300E 5spd I researched and found that about 300 US versions were imported from 86-88 IIRC - there are some 5spds on the 190D models too I believe but no idea how many.

John in San Antonio

Another Volvo owner? Are you in turbobricks too? Over there one of the members (John V) is working on adapting M46 bellhousings to fit the GM T5. If you have seen his work, there is no trying on his part; he will do it. lutzTD, how about going for a Toyota W58? They are not that hard to find. Of course I know nothing whether its spline would be even close to the Mercedes one. Probably the same idea as the 265; people in the Volvo universe slap both of them in their cars. About group buys, I know what you are talking about. I have seen too many people putting feelers out and the attitude of those showing interest is, "I am not going to commit until you have the 10-20 people you need to start the group buy. And even then I am not going to put any money down until the product is built. But, once it is done, I want to get the same price as the 20 who prepaid."

the getrag 265 is the perfect swap, spline count is the same on the input, the rear flange mount style is identical to the MB with very minor modification bolts right up, the bell is seperate so a bell change is feasable and the strongest, cleanest solution, and the shifter is a top rail so shifter position modification is very easy. there are no drawbacks to the getrag other than the initial cost to tool a bell. at this point interest is just not there. I may consider it in the future as there is also a big swap market for MB diesels in other vehicles, but selling 4-5 per year will never pay back the investment and justify the risk.