500E: dual-exhaust?
 

Has any 500E/E500 owner split his/her exhaust to a dual appearance (one pipe per side)?

If so, please post pictures/URLs; thank you!

Renntech has done it- My old tech had a 6.0 with the dual exhausts. Sorry, No pics, and he sold the car last year.

thank you
 

I wish I could see some pictures of that!!!

:' (

Hi Alan
 

A coupla weeks ago at the NE 500E500 GTG there was a green 500E with a left angled twin exhaust. I asked the owner if we could split the exhausts and run duals down each side. He commented that he did not think so because of the larger gas tank specific to this model. I have not looked at the undercarraige to see if this would be feasible. If the larger gas tank is occupying some of that space, how did Renntech overcome the problem?

Tom

the solution
 

I believe, is to remove the spare tire compartment and run dual pipes to a custom, rear muffler assembly.

I am considering doing this (or a quad-exhaust) at RBTech, in Los Angeles in the next 6-8 weeks.

Stay tuned.

Why?
 

Just make sure you know why you want to do it.

I've done extensive dyno testing with my other German marque car in an attempt to optimze the exhaust and power gains it provides. Bottom line is that the German engineers basically extract 99% of the available horsepower out of the engine with the "stock" exhaust. They're that good. The other factor is that the computer controlled engine managment doesn't like it when you only change one part of the power equation. Free flow exhaust means less backpressure, means that unless compensated for by chip tuning, lean burning air/fuel mixture, which is not happy-time for your exhaust valves. The O2 sensor can only adjust the mixture within a fairly narrow set of variables with a given data map in the control unit, so if you do the exhaust and open it up, take your car to a dyno with a knowledgeable chip tuner, and retune it to take advantage of the exhaust. Otherwise, I'd wager your torque and HP will be DOWN from stock.

I reluctantly concluded that any exhaust mods were strictly either for appearance or sound quality. Damn it, I want a V8 to sound like a V8 ;-), but I like torque better.

not the gas tank, but...
 

...the spare tire compartment; I am still researching all this; stay tuned.

Why sacrifice the spare tire compartment for another muffler. The 2hp that you gain will be offset by an increase in weight. The single muffler system is what AMG even uses on SL73. Save your money and buy a low boost Koenig m119 supercharger.

Koenig M119 supercharger?
 

please post a URL to said product; thank you,

http://www.koenig-specials.com

Take a gander at how they resolved the dual exhaust problem whilst you are perusing the MB goodies list.

Koenig???
 

Thanks, Tom.

I just looked thoroughly at: http://www.koenig-specials.com ; however:

1) I saw nothing about a 500E/E500 (M119) blower, anywhere.
2) That 90-degree bend/cosmetic-only quad-exhaust offering is BOGUS!!! I don't want to suffocate my exhaust flow for the sake of looks!

:confused:

Can anyone tell me who makes the exhaust/tips in this picture (Kleemann E50K), please? It is NOT Kleemann, I do not believe...

clarification
 

I want my rear exhaust to look like one of these two versions:

(I prefer version #2)

Scott! We Are Leaders not followers
 

I would think that the philosophy that we adhere to would be one of innovation, not duplication. The MB engineers already put together one hell of a drive train for for these Circa 1993 Factory Hot Rods. The likes of Renntech and Koenig allows the owner to attempt to tune to today's standard.

Since we snatched the M119 engine from the SL500 (R129 crowd)and their web site did not address a W124, I am making an assumption that the Koenig Komp pictured below would fit our configuration. Getting the hood closed after installing same may be a problem

Scott! We Are Leaders not followers
 

I would think that the philosophy that we adhere to would be one of innovation, not duplication. The MB engineers already put together one hell of a drive train for for these Circa 1993 Factory Hot Rods. The likes of Renntech and Koenig allows the owner to attempt to tune to today's standard.

Since we snatched the M119 engine from the SL500 (R129 crowd)and their web site did not address a W124, I am making an assumption that the Koenig Komp pictured below would fit our configuration. Getting the hood closed after installing same may be a problem

Sorry for the Hiccup
 

As for the exhaust, a prior poster eloquently addressed the problem of redesigning the exhaust system without properly retuning the engine to compensate. I don't know if the rig pictured below would fit under our rear bumpers, but I am going to communicate with these folks to analyze the feasability of such a project

No Offense intended
 

If some rice burner A/M dealer was offering that 90 degree rig, I would have just hit the Forward or Back button. Since it was Koenig and they should know that it may be detrimental to the engine management system, they prolly would not offer it. It will not hurt to ask them for before and after test results to see if it is feasible and reasonable in light of the price that they are asking for the set up.

Has Carl "ballparked" a price yet?

What I meant by the lead thing is that your edited pics of a dual exhaust on your rig look like a copy of the newer MB above it. I think that those oval/rectangle sort of tips looks SLICK on that MB. Don't get me wrong - I am all for updating appearance and enhancing performance - I just think that we should strive for individuality that ranges somewhere between ExtremeE500 to a Purple one that I saw last week.

At the Northeast GTG, all attendees except one had the pretty much standard pipes peeking subtley out from under the rear bumper. If you go on ACTACK's site and look for the green 1992 500E pictured from the back, you will see a slick looking angled rear exhaust that looked like it came from the factory that way.

Tom
 

The "cosmetic re-direct" pipe will fit under the rear bumper-cover; however, the severe angle required (about 90 degrees) renders it unwise, in my opinion.

I have seen this done an a W210 (full Lorinser kit + dual exhaust). It looked good, but I cannot attest to its efficacy.

In case you were not aware, Carl Genberg (of BergWerks, in LA) is in the R&D phase of a (low boost) M119 blower, targetinga goal of 100 BHP + 100 lb-ft. torque increases.

I took no offense to your "lead, not follow" comment (Rangers lead the way!); however, I'm not sure I understand your point... All I want to accomplish, for now, is an update of my 500E's rear-end - since I'm having my entire rear bumper replaced (due to a tow-truck driver's damage to my old one). I thought it wise to take advantage of the window of down-time/shop-time to facilitate said goal.

The Koenig website had previously listed a supercharger for the W124 E500, but I see it has been removed. However, they still list one for the R129 5.0 liter at the same price (15,000 euros) and with the same power rating.

If anyone checks with them and finds an answer, let us know! How 'bout a group buy?? :D

Re: No Offense intended
 

1) yes; $7K - $10K

2) to each, his/her own; personally, I think the tips I have selected are: tastefully plain (coming from one obsessed with subtlety/tactful, timeless style), visually unobtrusive, and aesthetically pleasing.

no one is forcing you (or anyone) to "follow my lead..."

;)

...neither am I cheapening or discrediting the 500E/E500 heritage. after all, just look at Koenig's "pseudo-quad" offering and tell me how, exactly, that is any more "individuality-expressive" than my idea (!!!). intuitively obvious even to the most casual of observers, it is clear that one need not possess a PhD in thermodynamics/fluid mechanics to identify the problems with bending an exhaust-vent 90 degrees... simple and plain, manufacturers sell what the market will bear/what consumers demand. appearance-obsessed quad-exhaust seekers will buy that "rig;" I will NOT.

i pride myself on my attention to detail; in summary, I don't "slap crap" on my ride: i never have / i never will.

after all, I'm not building a Trans Am for the Cannonball Run...


:confused:

Hi Dean!
 

You know I did not even look at the price of the supercharger.

LET ME DO A PRICE CHECK!

How much am I willing to pay to get from 0-60 now @ 5.9 or so to 0-62.1 @ 4.9 or so?


Is it 15 Thousand Big Bingo Bucks - Euros -no big dif.????

ENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH!!

Do I care that it will increase the top end from the current 155 mph to warp 3?

NOT UNLESS I HAVE A DEATH WISH!

On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the highest, what is my priority on getting anybody's supercharger crammed under my hood?

59

Lets get back to reasonably priced dual exhaust options. The floor is yours, Scott.

T :D M

If I am not mistaken the angled exhaust from the car at the NE GTG is a Brabus piece, that particular car having a number of other Brabus parts on it also.

Re: No Offense intended
 

ACTACK does not have a website, as far as I can tell/find...

:confused:

Innovative vs. duplicity
 

" to each, his/her own; personally, I think the tips I have selected are: tastefully plain (coming from one obsessed with subtlety/tactful, timeless style), visually unobtrusive, and aesthetically pleasing. "

Scott! If you look under the hood of your very own vehicle, you will easily understand what we have come to expect from you - All of the above that you mention AND the one extra word that comes to mind in your instance is the word: UNIQUE which is another way of saying innovative.

How many Benzes do you suppose are running around with a Carbon Fiber anything under their hood?

UNIQUE/INNOVATIVE

How many Benzes are using ITG filters?

UNIQUE/INNOVATIVE

How many Benzes that look like Toyotas-on-steroids are running around with oval chrome tipped dual exhausts?

YAWN


BTW - If I win this arguement, I get your hat (I need it more than you do anyway ;^)

ACTACKS site on the NE GTG:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4033152&a=30360664&f=0

Go to pic # 13 and click on the pic twice to get largest size (Unfortunately, it is a side angle rear shot so it does not give the viewer an appreciative peek.)

Cat In The Hat
 

(...which hat? ha-ha...never!)


Tom:

I appreicate your penchant for healthy debate (it reminds me of my father's eggings-on at the dinner table, in my formulative years); however, I feel I should make it clear that I am not upset at you or anyone... just in case there are any misunderstandings amongst "lurkers" within this thread.

I'm still not convinced, though, that (left AND right side) dual or quad tips of ANY kind are "Toyota-eque," in any way/shape/form; they are rarely even seen! I like the way these look - even the M3 and M5 (GASP! a BMW compliment???!!!) look good, IMHO - though the round shape doesn't quite work for me... too run-of-the-mill... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Specifically, the tips on the Kleemann E50K look complementarily aggressive/muscle-car-ish, and worthy of the 500E. I like them: let's arm-wrestle or box over it! Seriously, though - I prefer the tips-in-question MUCH more over the "1970s-Fiat-Monza-esque" ones offered by Koenig-Specials (good LORD - did Miami Vice just win a season renewal contract???) Don Johnson just called: he needs his exhaust back, ASAP. Thaaaaaaaanks!

Re: ITG filters - RENNTech uses them in their airbox offering; out with the old/in with the new - K&N's are the day-glo of the 21st century, it would appear... life in the fast lane, etc...

The tips I have chosen are more trapezoidal/rectilinear than oval; I expessly DISLIKE Remus-esque/Everyman's 300E/dude-check-out-my-killer-new-EXHAUST applications (no offense to those whose boats those float/propel). Times change - and so do I.

The jury is still in deliberation. I may even go with a SINGLE tipped version of my original posting; ACTACK's image #13 reveals a good-looking side-angled approach - but I have only ever seen that on Brabus vehicles, before. My car is 90% RENNTech / 10% AMG, so I am looking for something more personalized. Mind you, I am not trying to "go the whole 9 + the 2 extra points," as Albert (eXtreme_E500) is - but I am 34 years old... and my tastes are decidedly different. Individuals like Al can pull off their over-the-top creations with flair (as he has undoubtedly done, having won the Benzsport Autofest 2002 "Best W124" award); however, I find myself increasingly "step-wise-and-settle-aged," to coin a phrase (as I have been known to do, on occasion).

Even if every mercedesshop.com/W124-036 fanatic was to brandish a Glock 30 in my face, screaming directives to the contrary, I would still go my own way (a la "Arnage-esque billet-grill," an eXtreme-E'-inspired decision)! PLACE YOUR MIND WHERE I CAN SEE IT! DO IT NOW!!! MOVE!!!

;)

The hat remains on my head; your turn.

my 3 choices
 

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Drat no cat hat
 

ROTFLMAO!

It took me an hour to dream up the "flatter him and then box him with it scheme" leaving you the only out of denying that you were Innovative or unique to win the debate. :D :D

When I was half your current age, Dad bought me a 56 Desoto Adventurer Convertible (Hemi with Dual Quad carbs and dual exhausts built into the bottom of the twin fins where they met the bumper - It was a friggen boat sleeper that blew the doors off any chevy or ford with tri-power. It was the cat's meow look of 1961

The next Hot Rod was a brand new 1969 442 convertible with dual exhausts flared at the tips and built into the bottom of the chrome bumper. It was the cat's meow look of 1969

In 1993, a lawncare truck rear-ended my wife's '92 300E Sportline cracking the bumper and bending the rear muffler enough to require replacement. I put a REMUS on it. It was the cat's meow look of 1993.

As 2002 comes to a close and I am looking for the cat's meow look of the current time, those oval tipped jobbies just don't do it for me but as you said earlier "to each his own"

IF I were gonna have to chose from the three, it would be number two but there is no way that you are gonna get the second pipe not only around the enlarged gas tank but back up into the cut-out and still look "Factory installed" WELLLLLLL! actually, we know that there is least one way. <BEG>
don johnson special -snicker

HOW ABOUT THE 70ies JAG E TYPE LOOK - run twin pipes down the middle under the wheel well and then angle them up - AHHHHHHHHH on second thought never mind cause your car may remind some observers that you think it is a Porsche

hehehe

Tom
BTW - My AA is a "Bay Girl" I showed her your red hat and asked her how cold it gets out there - She said that when it goes below 32 degrees, it gets in the news just like when it goes above 32 here, it gets in the news. - She also immediately recognized the Puma

Plato / close, but no Cohiba
 

...glad to see we're both in the same "holiday spirit" of things!

A-ha... so your plan didn't proceed entirely as planned? Welcome to my world: a place where things rarely do.

I'm curious... WTF (as we say in California) is an "AA" - besides a small battery that lasts about half of its life-expectancy
and/or a substance-abuse frogram for the single-malt-challenged?

When you say she "recognized the Puma," I assume you mean the brand - not MY hat, specifically... (I hope! I try to keep a low profile in my excesses).
I am known (by many in the Bay Area rave/dance scene) simply as "the Puma guy." Curious - but true. {light-show, here}

I'll leave the angled-tubes (especially SKYWARD) to the HIGH-ANGLE-HELL gun-bunnies in the U.S. Army Field Artillery; I prefer to "get horizontal" with my release...

;)

I definitely DON'T miss the weather in your neck of the woods; I went from Hawaii to upstate New York, after high school,
and all I could think about was how much I took Paradise for granted...

Stay tuned; this is far from over...


PS - is my website visible on the East Coast, yet?

http://www.nemonis.net

(RSVP)

Fhat the wucks an AA?
 

You neanderthal you!

On the Right side here, we renamed our secretaries to Administrative Assistants back in the early eighties - do yous guys still call them secys over there on the Left side?

As for my plan - so much for Murphy's Law - if U ask me WTF that is, I am gonna wonder if you ever spent any time in upstate anywhere - talk about radical changes - Hawaii to upstate NY - Sounds to me like you coulda been a "service brat" goin with dad from Hickham to Rome AFB yes/no? If yes, we may have some mutual friends in ATC or the jockeys driving the nuke 8 bangers between Rome and Ramstein.

As for the hat - I am not sure what she recognized - Does the PUMA cat have a significance out there other than a supplier of E-codes?

OK, if you don't like the "Porsche look", which is mostly what you are driving anyway, how about twin tubes exiting directly behind the drive wheels with a 45 degree rake. I did that with an Avanti that I owned for a very short period of time.

Of course your website is visable here on the left side - Do U think we are Neanderthals with no tech over here or WTF?

T:p M

Tom Slick
 

I've never had the good fortune of having an "Admin," as we abbreviate things out here in sunny Californicate; it must be nice.
As NCOs love to say, "I work for a living, Sir."

E-codes? Do Bosch headlamp vendors wear Puma out your way?

I asked about my website's visibility because I changed my DNS hosting (nameserver) data, 48 hours ago... and I was wondering if it had propagated across the Internet.

My NYC stint was my "doing time" investment in my future/pursuit of excellence/(fill in the cliche) at USMA/West Point. We may, indeed, know some of the same people...

Porting out the side (a-la-Roush Mustang) looks pretty Tom Slick; hmmm... maybe I should ask Bob Brady for undercarriage pictures of RENNTech's efforts...

"I asked about my website's visibility because I changed my DNS hosting (nameserver) data, 48 hours ago... and I was wondering if it had propagated across the Internet. "

Damn kids -teach us sometin new every day!

Whats with this propagate or fornicate across the internet schtick? I am about to redoo my website and switch from Dellheist to Starhost and the sales rep wantsta sell me a meta tag listing with all the search engines for a bucktwentyfive. Since I am not changing my domain name, I passed. Did I F/U?

No PUMA doesn't offer hats with their e-codes -is that what U asked :confused:

USMA/WP - dym- USMC/WP ? over

As your jpeg/gif editing skills are better than mine, could you show me what the side-whalers would look like along with a clear-deck-in-the-rear appearance.

Uncle Sam's Misguided Child
 

Uh-oh... my dad was a Navy man before he went into business.

We'll leave it at that - no inter-branch rivalries needed / especially in light of current/world events...

FYI - META tags are described at:

http://www.webdeveloper.com/html/html_metatags.html

In summary, they merely identify the creator of the page, the HTML specification-standard used by the page, all associated keywords and description(s) of the page, and the refresh parameter. You can add these yourself for FREE: it's a 10 minute job! There's certainly no need to pay someone the equivalent of $750/hour for that... unless you want to pay ME that rate, of course... Hell, that might even fill my tank with (count 'em - ) 92 OCTANE, here in California!

I'll search for the image of the RENNTech One Lap America ride (the 500E/E500 with the side-ported exhaust); stand by...

* over *

RENNtech
 

I have e-mailed Bob Brady, re: Pictures of the One Lap America 500E/E500 (600E/E600); I cannot find ANY on my local hard drive!

I am wondering if I can port my exhaust out both sides, in that same fashion (and still be legal/not heard 5 miles away).

Stay tuned...

$ide-porting (RENNtech'$ reply)
 

YIKE$$$$!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: WBrady2410@aol.com [mailto:WBrady2410@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:39 AM
To: Scott M. Shell
Subject: Re: 1993 Mercedes-Benz 500E (W124) question


On second thought you might have meant the CLK6.0 that we had with the dual exhaust. To do it right required welding and removing the spare tire well. This all added about $3000 to the job. So including the mufflers and everything else the price was over $4500.

Bob
RENNtech

Ouch
 

Well! I guess that RENNtech won't be doing it if its' gonna be done at all.

Take note of the exhausts in two vehicles that you hold in high esteem my fine haberdashed friend

http://www.maxpowered.com/images/cannonball050302/images/DSCN0197_jpg.jpg

http://www.maxpowered.com/images/cannonball050302/images/DSCN0250_jpg.jpg

Now as my friend, Clint a/k/a/ Unclean Harold, from your neck of the wood would say:

Seeing as those two machines could blow the doors clean off your car in any kind of zip to whatever race AND they are sporting that subtle round, beefy and almost lethal weapon look that we strive for in our sheep clothed wolves, you may wanna reconsider thinking about those Limp Richard looking oval dubies.

Wanna give up and just mail me the red hat or do you wanna continue having your self esteem assualted ?-^)

T:o M

OBTW I know what a META TAG is. My question was - Do I have to resubmit keywords list to search engines just because I am changing Hosting services.

update
 

Tom -

I'll e-mail you my hat... would that work?

I assure you: I haven't given up, yet... never say die!!!

Adjust fire two clicks down / one click left... over...

Shields Up!
 

Load Photon Torpedeos - full power to the Phaser Banks

Whats with this "clicks" schlitz ? get uptodate yourdamnself!

It seems intimidation is not gonna relieve you of your hat so I will withdraw and plan a new diabolical scheme to debeanie you.

When and if you solve the dual exhaust problem within reasonable cost and killer app looks, ping me>

*unsubscribe*

USMC metrics (?)
 

...not an Infantryman? clicks are your friend, trust me...

;)

*SPLASH*

-out-

Observing from the sidelines.......
 

You guys are something else!!!! I have been reading the posts you guys have been volleying back and forth and it's great to read!!! Nothin' like a good debate among friends!!!
In light to the quest for a cool exhaust statement- I like the concept, and after what I have read, the smoothest option I think would be to do the one rectoval thing- subtle, but "all business" looking as well. Scott, you have really caught my eye with what you've done with your car- really tasteful and unique. The use of the carbon fiber is beautiful in the engine bay and to be honest, I am not suprised someone hasn't done it sooner!!! I am a carbon fiber freak as well, owning a carbon-fiber cigar humidor and a Rocketshells carbon fiber snare drum- I LOVE the look of the stuff and the sound of that snare drum will definitely get your attention!! NEVER enough carbon fiber in my opinion!
I remember when I lived in the motor city I rented a room from a guy that worked at Ford who took me to their R&D department- WOW!! THAT was one of the coolest places I ever went to up there!! All kinds of experiments going on, V10 town cars and Mark VIII's etc. Anyhoo, we went in this secret place there and I saw the strangest car, as we walked up on it he letme in on it, it was called the Ford IndiGo, a concept car that had a indycar type cabin with a quad turbo V12 engine- CRAZY car. Whole monocoque frame was carbon fiber- really exotic and EXPENSIVE. Reason he was there was that they had to get the car ready for the Detroit Auto show next week, and they couldn't get the darn thing to run! He was their house tech geek/super tuner and was their last hope before they flew the guy from England in that last tweaked the car. Within minutes he had it roaring, and scared the crap out of some ladies talking on the other side of the garage!! Everyone was happy, and they asked him to be there at the Detroit auto show just in case they needed him to get it running for some reason. Well, needless to say, we both ended up going, and evrything went off without incident- you should have seen the people's eyes when they started that car up- HEEHEE!!!! It was SOOOOO COOOOL!!! I'll never forget that time or that car- just amazing!!! Wonder where that car is now? Prolly Jacques Nasser's garage!!!

Travmonster
 

Happy New Year and thanks for the compliments, my friend!

That's some story about the Ford "skunkworks;" I wish I could have seen that, myself!

I am still undecided as to whether I will be going with a single-tipped or dual-tipped appearance exhaust; I am picking up my 500E, tomorrow (having had my front and rear bumpers repainted) - so I will resume my efforts.

Incidentally, I am also restoring a 1967 VW Type I (Beetle) that my grandmother left me, when she died. I will post pictures of it to my website, ASAP.

Kind regards,

Ford Indigo pic link
 

Here's a link to a pic of the famous Ford Indigo, including specs.

http://tuneman1.tripod.com/indigo.html

I think it's cool that you also restore Volkswagens. I have a friend whose dad is a VW FREAK. Has all kinds of stuff laying around his yard- It would look like a virtual VW boneyard to most folks- also has a couple of rare Porsches and the like. He is currently installing a euro 500 engine in a 560sl, HEHEHE....Lots more I could tell you but it'd take DAYS. Anyhoo, enjoy the pics and have fun with the newly painted ride.

Travmonster

update
 

I have identified the new (single - for now) exhaust I want; I am just awaiting a price quotation from Kleemann USA.

Once I buy it, I will be selling my current, AMG rear silencer (Japanese market product: not street-legal in the USA).

{I will edit this post with the AMG part #, ASAP.}

The AMG price (new) is approximately $1200 USD + shipping; obviously, my selling price will be lower, as the part is 3 years old (buyer wil pay shipping and insurance, though). Gunther Riese (AMG) can attest to its autheticity: I also still have my oiriginal invoice.

Stay tuned...

2 X 2
 

and a bit of badge engineering

dual tiparillos
 

lookee here what turned up on the web.

see more photos here:

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=263194&make_type_query=make%3DMercedes-Benz&model_brand_query=model%3DE-Class&tree=Mercedes-Benz%20E-Class

to each
 

his/her own...

dual tiparillos
 

take me to the "ICU" in that ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats 1 KILLER 5- door :cool:

Wagon mania.....
 

That right there makes me want to do the wagon thing!!! I just might if I find the right one, either black pearl (or is it blue-black?) or white. THAT is a cool lookin' wagon...very well done, although I wouldn't do the dual exhaust thing (only because I know that you can't REALLY do that on a W124 wagon). It does look trick though to the casual observer. The creative wagon owners out there just amaze me. Great stuff for the grocery getters.....

twin pipes!! may do mine this way. But may cut out spare wheel well, then i can have them either side

and heres the rest of that car!!

quiksilver
 

What does it look like from the HELM ????????? :eek:

unfortunateley these are the only picks I have.

Bet he can see jack s##t!!!