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Hogweed · #31 03-11-2018, 10:55 AM

as far as the 'bluetec' question, i think the DEF was not on the 07 but became a thing on the 08 cdi

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

That does help clarify some things. Thanks! The car in question did have the full kit that allowed the use of straight veggie oil.

The search continues!

400Eric · #32 03-13-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hogweed

as far as the 'bluetec' question, i think the DEF was not on the 07 but became a thing on the 08 cdi

Yes, that agrees with what I have found out as well.

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

From what I've been able to find, it appears that the first year E-class Bluetecs did not have urea injection and were only legal for sale in 45 states, but the second year ones had it and were 50 state legal.

Either way, I'm still scared of Bluetecs, but if faced with paying Bluetec prices for W210s, I think a low mile Bluetec might be the better deal. Remember, the W210s we are talking about here are 18-20 years old now and are from the Jürgen E. Schrempp period (1995-2006), which really concerns me too. A company and it's cars are only as good as the man at the helm, and ole J.S. was and is a P.O.S.!

All of that being said I'd still prefer to get a nice, low mile, lighter colored TD W210 because Bluetecs are not DIY friendly.

So where's that grandma car of my dreams?!? (Remember, I said grandma car not grandma.)

Bob I · #33 03-14-2018, 09:19 AM

I have a 2009 E320 BlueTec sedan. It does not have the DEF system. It was purchased used under the Certified Pre-Owned Program and not having the AdBlue requirement was one of the reasons I looked for the 2009 year. The BlueTec SUVs had the DEF system by 2009 so the line was not consistent. In the 2010 model year the sedans did require AdBlue.

At the time I purchased this model at 36,000 miles it appeared to be pretty dependable. Based on what I know now, I don't think I would buy it today. At about 74,000 miles the common oil cooler leak was repaired. At 83,400 miles a couple of glow plugs went bad so I had all of them replaced. At 84,000 the heater/AC blower motor was replaced because it would squeal when cold. At 89,000 miles the idler pulley above the crank shaft pulley locked up while on a trip and shredded the drive belt. At 89,600 miles the check engine light came on. The diagnosis was a malfunction of the inlet port shutoff motor. Luckily, all but the glow plugs were covered by the CPO warranty. If not, my guess is the repair costs would have totaled at least $5,000.

The car now has about 103,000 miles on it and so far no new problems. After the port shutoff motor problem I did more research on the BlueTec. I believe because of the high temperatures and trying to control diesel emissions the resulting carbon problems will eventually ruin/clog a number of the complicated components on these engines. That equates to high repair costs.

I had a 1983 300D, W123 that was purchased new. That car was owned for 18 years with minimal problems. That is not true with the latest Mercedes diesels.

oldsouth · #34 03-14-2018, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Yes, that agrees with what I have found out as well.

Either way, I'm still scared of Bluetecs, but if faced with paying Bluetec prices for W210s, I think a low mile Bluetec might be the better deal. Remember, the W210s we are talking about here are 18-20 years old now and are from the Jürgen E. Schrempp period (1995-2006), which really concerns me too. A company and it's cars are only as good as the man at the helm, and ole J.S. was and is a P.O.S.!

All of that being said I'd still prefer to get a nice, low mile, lighter colored TD W210 because Bluetecs are not DIY friendly.

So where's that grandma car of my dreams?!? (Remember, I said grandma car not grandma.)

Right here..... Come and drive it....

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=476576961&ownerId=71531171&searchRadius=0

Oldsouth Photography

400Eric · #35 03-16-2018, 05:27 PM

Thanks for the link. I was excited until I saw the miles. As with your car, high miles are a dealbreaker for me.

This car is yet another example of what I was ranting about on the first page of this thread. $7,500 for a car that is 20 years old, has over 300,000 fricking miles, and is half the country distant from me. Heck, I'd probably be better off with your white car! (But that's really your point isn't it?) I posted several links to show how I could buy a 10 year old bluetec with about a third of those miles that is only half the age and is local to me. No matter how good the W210s are, and no matter how "unreliable" the bluetecs are, how reliable is a 300,000 mile 20 year old W210 going to be vs. a bluetec with one third of the miles and is only half the age?

No. I have too many "great" W124s sitting here that are becoming drains on my time and money. I refuse to repeat that mistake yet again. I just bought a 148,000 mile 2000 5.4 Expedition that I now use strickly for hauling and towing purposes for $1,200. I need to find a similar age, similar miles W210 TD. Yes, I know I'll be paying a lot more than $1,200 for it, but I refuse to pay $7,500 for it, and I refuse to buy another 300,000 mile car! The 150,000 mile vehicles of that vintage are out there (I just bought one) I just need help finding a TD W210 one. Thanks.

Edit: Wait a minute, I confused your car with a very similar white one that was also very nice but also had 300,000 plus miles on it. I would post a link but now I can't find it. So regarding your car, I've already weighed in on it's thread here, and given the thread a few free bumps. GLWTS!

400Eric · #36 03-16-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob I

I have a 2009 E320 BlueTec sedan. It does not have the DEF system. It was purchased used under the Certified Pre-Owned Program and not having the AdBlue requirement was one of the reasons I looked for the 2009 year. The BlueTec SUVs had the DEF system by 2009 so the line was not consistent. In the 2010 model year the sedans did require AdBlue.

At the time I purchased this model at 36,000 miles it appeared to be pretty dependable. Based on what I know now, I don't think I would buy it today. At about 74,000 miles the common oil cooler leak was repaired. At 83,400 miles a couple of glow plugs went bad so I had all of them replaced. At 84,000 the heater/AC blower motor was replaced because it would squeal when cold. At 89,000 miles the idler pulley above the crank shaft pulley locked up while on a trip and shredded the drive belt. At 89,600 miles the check engine light came on. The diagnosis was a malfunction of the inlet port shutoff motor. Luckily, all but the glow plugs were covered by the CPO warranty. If not, my guess is the repair costs would have totaled at least $5,000.

The car now has about 103,000 miles on it and so far no new problems. After the port shutoff motor problem I did more research on the BlueTec. I believe because of the high temperatures and trying to control diesel emissions the resulting carbon problems will eventually ruin/clog a number of the complicated components on these engines. That equates to high repair costs.

I had a 1983 300D, W123 that was purchased new. That car was owned for 18 years with minimal problems. That is not true with the latest Mercedes diesels.

I seriously appreciate your informative post! It gives me pause. I really don't know what to do. My position is if I have to pay $7,500 for a 300,000 mile W210, I might be better off with a newer car that has one third the miles and is only half the age. Without even realizing it, the gentleman who posted after your post has shown us how he has made that same exact choice! Just look at his sig, and look at what he is selling! He is choosing to keep his 100,000 mile W211 bluetec and is choosing to sell his 300,000 mile W210! I find that VERY telling!

I choose a third option. I want (and need) the 150,000 mile W210!

Seriously folks, this isn't a hobby for me. I have some serious crap going on in my life right now and I need a good, dependable diesel Benz! Any help is appreciated! Please post those links! Thanks!

dieseldiehard · #37 03-16-2018, 06:24 PM

Its going to be while before a low mileage 210 turbodiesel comes along and you will have to be looking all over the US to find one. And have luck of all luck to be first to contact the seller!
I spotted one in Boise that is a 226K miler but the PO did a lot of work - Not a suggestion for you but simply to show that nearly all of the cars coming up for sale are well over 200K showing on the odometer.
This one has a worn out drivers seat.
But the owner replaced the short lived motor mounts and it has a new radiator, ball joints, fan clutch all the stuff that wears out at around that mileage.
You have to consider the paint too and this one looks at least in the photos that are pretty good, to have a near new appearance. My '99 looks awful since it was a desert car for so long the silver paint oxidized severely. At least there's no rust! Still its a darned fine road car! to hell with what people think how it looks!
DDH
https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/1999-mercedes-e300-turbodiesel/6527610926.html

Hogweed · #38 03-16-2018, 06:36 PM

meanwhile, back at the under 200k 99 e330d with good michelins, all that work also done (plus the flex discs and center support), and a good driver seat, sits here for MONTHS with an asking price almost 2 grand lower

for virtually the same price as that one i have the e300d paired with a really good '99 e320...

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/391881-fs-pa~-2-1999-w210-daily-drivers-diesel-gas-%244900-both.html

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Originally Posted by dieseldiehard

Its going to be while before a low mileage 210 turbodiesel comes along and you will have to be looking all over the US to find one. And have luck of all luck to be first to contact the seller!
I spotted one in Boise that is a 226K miler but the PO did a lot of work - Not a suggestion for you but simply to show that nearly all of the cars coming up for sale are well over 200K showing on the odometer.
This one has a worn out drivers seat.
But the owner replaced the short lived motor mounts and it has a new radiator, ball joints, fan clutch all the stuff that wears out at around that mileage.
You have to consider the paint too and this one looks at least in the photos that are pretty good, to have a near new appearance. My '99 looks awful since it was a desert car for so long the silver paint oxidized severely. At least there's no rust! Still its a darned fine road car! to hell with what people think how it looks!
DDH
https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/1999-mercedes-e300-turbodiesel/6527610926.html

400Eric · #39 03-16-2018, 06:54 PM

As I've already stated, I wish you were closer, and I wish your car were a lighter color. Out here, black cars are just miserable! They really are! I know it may seem stupid to reject a car based on color but it is an issue for me, and that's why I mentioned it in my very first post in this thread. I know I'm not as bad as some people though. I have seen want ads here by guys who are limiting their search to cars that are only one particular color! I just only said "lighter color". I'd buy your car and use it in the winter only but my problem is that it's a Summer car that I need! It's funny how I always seem to end up with black cars! I'm really starting to hate it! This new to me Expy is black! Ugh!

Your car is living proof that 300,000 mile W210s are not worth $7,500 no matter how pretty they are. For $7,500 I could have a blutec as nice as the one he is choosing to keep over his W210!

Hogweed · #40 03-16-2018, 07:01 PM

E, that wasn't directed at you. i know i;m too far and the black is a deal breaker (having lived in New Mexico for 10 tears i DO get that

)......i was just venting my overall frustration with the market right now

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

As I've already stated, I wish you were closer, and I wish your car were a lighter color. Out here, black cars are just miserable! They really are! I know it may seem stupid to reject a car based on color but it is an issue for me, and that's why I mentioned it in my very first post in this thread. I know I'm not as bad as some people though. I have seen want ads here by guys who are limiting their search to cars that are only one particular color! I just only said "lighter color". I'd buy your car and use it in the winter only but my problem is that it's a Summer car that I need! It's funny how I always seem to end up with black cars! I'm really starting to hate it! This new to me Expy is black! Ugh!

Your car is living proof that 300,000 mile W210s are not worth $7,500 no matter how pretty they are. For $7,500 I could have a blutec as nice as the one he is choosing to keep over his W210!

oldsouth · #41 03-16-2018, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Edit: Wait a minute, I confused your car with a very similar white one that was also very nice but also had 300,000 plus miles on it. I would post a link but now I can't find it. So regarding your car, I've already weighed in on it's thread here, and given the thread a few free bumps. GLWTS!

I realize you are looking for low mileage, but I tell you; you won't find a W210 diesel as good as mine anywhere. I guarantee it..... When looking, you have to purchase an older car from someone who has maintained it very well. So any little thing that either doesn't work or is wrong on the car, shy away and keep looking. As for the 211 series, I owned a 2006 E-class diesel. I believe it was the last year before Ad Blue. Great car but the panarama roof stuck open, and I got ticked off because they wanted about $1200 to fix it, plus it was due for tires so I traded it on a certified 2012 E-350 diesel. And let me tell you, it was a nightmare to chip and de-smog that bugger. But I finally got it done. Probably the last diesel Mercedes I will ever own. Next to the last year with the 6 cyl motor.
So I would not rule out a 211 up to 2006 year. But getting one 2007 and up with the particulate filter and ad blue is just asking for trouble. Unless you go to the effort of disconnecting everything and re-programming the computer.

400Eric · #42 03-16-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dieseldiehard

Its going to be while before a low mileage 210 turbodiesel comes along and you will have to be looking all over the US to find one. And have luck of all luck to be first to contact the seller!
I spotted one in Boise that is a 226K miler but the PO did a lot of work - Not a suggestion for you but simply to show that nearly all of the cars coming up for sale are well over 200K showing on the odometer.
This one has a worn out drivers seat.
But the owner replaced the short lived motor mounts and it has a new radiator, ball joints, fan clutch all the stuff that wears out at around that mileage.
You have to consider the paint too and this one looks at least in the photos that are pretty good, to have a near new appearance. My '99 looks awful since it was a desert car for so long the silver paint oxidized severely. At least there's no rust! Still its a darned fine road car! to hell with what people think how it looks!
DDH
https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/1999-mercedes-e300-turbodiesel/6527610926.html

That's for the link!

That definitely appears to be a better deal than O.S.'s car that's for sure, but for that kind of money I still feel I should be getting a car in the 150,000 mile range at the most. Again, I just bought a 148,000 mile 2000 Y.M. vehicle! Earlier in this thread you said so yourself that there are lower mile cars out there. For only a thousand bucks more I can buy newer lower mile diesel benzs that have the plus of being local!

Another thing to consider is how diesel fuel out here costs as much and often times more than premium gas! And a real nice same year E320 can be had out here for a fraction of these outragous prices! At what point do we say that the diesel just isn't worth the price premium? At 20 years of age it's not hard to justify a few grand for a car, but 2 to 3 times that amount?

There was a very pretty 98-99ish white E300D at my local Harbor Fr8 recently with Arizona tags. I wish I had hit them up. I actually was going to but I had just had a root canal done (my first ever) a little earlier and the numbing stuff hadn't worn off yet and I was embarassed to speak. I sounded like I was drunk and feared that they would not take me seriously. I'll be regretting that one forever just like how I still regret not asking Cheryl Bedley to the jr/senior prom!

That grandma car is out there! Please help me find it! Thanks!

400Eric · #43 03-16-2018, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsouth

I realize you are looking for low mileage, but I tell you; you won't find a W210 diesel as good as mine anywhere. I guarantee it..... When looking, you have to purchase an older car from someone who has maintained it very well. So any little thing that either doesn't work or is wrong on the car, shy away and keep looking. As for the 211 series, I owned a 2006 E-class diesel. I believe it was the last year before Ad Blue. Great car but the panarama roof stuck open, and I got ticked off because they wanted about $1200 to fix it, plus it was due for tires so I traded it on a certified 2012 E-350 diesel. And let me tell you, it was a nightmare to chip and de-smog that bugger. But I finally got it done. Probably the last diesel Mercedes I will ever own. Next to the last year with the 6 cyl motor.
So I would not rule out a 211 up to 2006 year. But getting one 2007 and up with the particulate filter and ad blue is just asking for trouble. Unless you go to the effort of disconnecting everything and re-programming the computer.

I appreciate your post. Maybe you can hook me up with the people who helped you "fix" your bluetec after I get mine?

I don't mean to come off so harshly on your car, it's just that $7,500 is just SO much dough for ANY car with SO many miles on it. I just can't justify it. I just can't. You seem to have had a pretty good run with it, but I can't help but think that that is about to run out. That combined with my bad luck in general just seems downright hazardous for me.

I'd be stubbing my toe on these if I wasn't looking for one.

oldsouth · #44 03-16-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

That's for the link!

That definitely appears to be a better deal than O.S.'s car that's for sure, but for that kind of money I still feel I should be getting a car in the 150,000 mile range at the most.

Let me help you with this one. Driver's seat bad, steering wheel bad, missing cover over radiator fans, drivers floormat curled up where the accelerator pedal is, doesn't look like it has the Becker Bose stereo, no deep tinted glass, headlight lens are cloudy and not xenon with washers, map pockets on seatbacks not in good shape, no spare parts.
Come and get my car. Heck, my daughter is a flight attendant; I can get you a really cheap airline ticket!

400Eric · #45 03-16-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hogweed

E, that wasn't directed at you. i know i;m too far and the black is a deal breaker (having lived in New Mexico for 10 tears i DO get that

)......i was just venting my overall frustration with the market right now

Yeah, this stupid market! It makes no sense! You live in an area packed with people who are into these cars, your diesel fuel prices are cheaper relative to your gas prices compared to what I have to deal with out here, and yet you can't get fair money for your car.

And me, I live where even these older W210s TDs still have to be smogged, We have crazy expensive diesel fuel prices, and yet I can't buy a decent example anywhere near me for anything approaching a fair price!

It's like I always tell my kids: there's no justice in this world!