Assembling a 10/22

[ned2683]

I been thinking about buying a Ruger 10/22 rifle. i have look at other kinds and i narrowed it down to this brand. accessories seem to be widely available too. a stainless steel with synthetic stock is aroun $210 at walmart.

then i went on ebay to look at the parts available. and i think i want a different stock (a folding one) and its almost $60 for that. so i was wondering if i could buy all the parts and assemble a gun the way i like it (maybe cheaper?). is this legal cause i thought u have to register the gun when u buy it (i live in missouri) would this be a good idea rather than buying one and changing the stock?

also what parts are there to a gun? (i know of only the stock, and barrel)

[KirkVining]

You can by some parts over ebay, but you must buy the receiver assembly from a gun dealer. Most peope just go down to Walmart and buy a 10/22 for $150 bucks, then they go to ebay or a gun show and buy all that other crap. Myself, I'd just save my money and get a Mini-14. In the end it will be a several hundred more invested but you will have a serious weapon instead of some wannabe assault rifle. Another good choice is to customize an M1 Carbine, but they are no longer as cheap as they once were. You used to be able to pick up an M1 with a junky stock for $200 bucks at a gun show, and then get a folding stock for about $100, and you could pick up any kind of military stuff like banana clips and flash hiders at the gun and militaria shows. I think most of those prices are current, but now the junky M1 costs $400. Otherwise, save up a grand and get an AKM or an AR-15. Personally, if you want a folding stock weapon that is reliable and bad to the bone and not too overally priced, an AKM is hard to beat. Stick this one in your sock:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976497575.htm

[moparmike]

Registering your firearm is not required in MO, that is part of America, not the PRK, MD, MA, or other anti-gun hellholes.


However, getting a folding stock may fall under the "questionable" part of legality, at least until September 14, 2004 when the "Assault Weapons" Ban of 1994 expires, which limits folding stocks, pistol grips, flash-suppressors, and bayonet lugs on semi-automatic firearms with removable magazines. Also, you may not purchase any box magazine made after September 13, 1994 that can hold more than 10rds of ammo. If its made before that, its ok, but not after that.


You should check into that. BTW, a good forum for these types of questions is The High Road. Try the Rifle Forum there, and tell them I sent you. My handle here is the same as over there. Drop in the General Discussion and introduce yourself.

[ned2683]

Originally Posted by moparmike

However, getting a folding stock may fall under the "questionable" part of legality, at least until September 14, 2004 when the "Assault Weapons" Ban of 1994 expires, which limits folding stocks, pistol grips, flash-suppressors, and bayonet lugs on semi-automatic firearms with removable magazines. Also, you may not purchase any box magazine made after September 13, 1994 that can hold more than 10rds of ammo. If its made before that, its ok, but not after that.

Thanks for the information. i suppose i hear about them mentioning about that in certain forums but i couldn't put them together. since i don't know a lot about current gun news.

no wonder i can't find magazines holding more than 10 rounds

[KirkVining]

Originally Posted by moparmike

Registering your firearm is not required in MO, that is part of America, not the PRK, MD, MA, or other anti-gun hellholes.


However, getting a folding stock may fall under the "questionable" part of legality, at least until September 14, 2004 when the "Assault Weapons" Ban of 1994 expires, which limits folding stocks, pistol grips, flash-suppressors, and bayonet lugs on semi-automatic firearms with removable magazines. Also, you may not purchase any box magazine made after September 13, 1994 that can hold more than 10rds of ammo. If its made before that, its ok, but not after that. BTW, I feel safer walking around Mass or NH than in any other state. In Texas, where gun laws are pretty lax, the big cities are turning into combat zones.

You should check into that. BTW, a good forum for these types of questions is The High Road. Try the Rifle Forum there, and tell them I sent you. My handle here is the same as over there. Drop in the General Discussion and introduce yourself.

When you buy a new gun nowadays, it is being registered, you just don't know it. They call in a request to verify your ability to purchase a firearm. The call, the gun, and your identity is put into an FBI database. The only exception is private purchases between individuals. I was really surprised to find this out, as I thought the Brady law only required them to run you for a handgun. Gun sellers now run a Brady check on all gun buyers, and however you care to define "register", you are in fact being registered in a Federal database everytime you buy a gun. Also, those assulat-ban limits are so full of loopholes and there is so much pre-ban stuff out there, just get the right wad of cash and you can get whatever you want. Also, gun registration is a federal matter, I never had any trouble owning guns when I lived in Mass. Carry permits, on the other hand, are a state matter, in Mass you have a mandatory automatic five year sentence for carrying any kind of concealed weapon.

with "dress up" options to your heart's content. Believe you still can buy a folding stock, you may have to hunt around for a "banana clip" holding 20-50 rounds.

Ram-Line makes many add-ons...tricked-out 10 / 22's are available from the successor to Chief AJ and other sources.

[Tirebiter]

The 10-22 is a rimfire rifle and does not fall into the assault weapons catagory.

Yep. You can spend a lot of money on upgrades. Or not. Examples:
Bone stock 10-22 was $125. (My discounted price at the time)
Stainless steel bottom folding stock was $150.
Leopold fixed 6X scope was $210.
Threaded end barrel was $50.
Factory magazines were 10 for $100.
Clip release lever was $5 ( highly recommended)
Adjustable peep sights were $90 ( threaded barrels don't have a front blade)

FWIW:
Probably the most reliable .22 auto ever mass produced when used with 10 round FACTORY made magazines. After market high capacity magazines have been, uh, LESS than reliable.

Barrels and replacement parts of every description and material are available and "bolt in". I got a new steel, threaded end barrel with hard chromed rifling for $50. There is even a barrel that is powered by ram set blanks that fires arrows at 900 fps

I have found that RWS Subsonic long rifle ammo is EXTREMELY accurate out to 50 meters. Remmington subsonic sucks.

The "assault" classification guide for center fire weapons: Any three of the bellow stated characteristics may classify your otherwise legal weapon into an assault weapon catagory.
1. Folding stock, factory or otherwise.
2. Capable of accepting a high volume magazine.
3. Threaded end barrel whether factory or not.
4. Bayonet lug.
5. Pistol style grip ( If the ATF so chooses, even a thumbhole stock can be counted )

On top of the list should be that the 10-22 is fun to shoot, and shoot, and shoot.

[moparmike]

Kirk, you will get no arguement from me that the Form 4473 is registration by another name.

Mass, MD,, NY, NJ, and the PRK have their own set of restrictive gun laws. Hell, Michigan has its own state-registration scheme for handguns, only they call it a "Safety Inspection," when it is nothing of the sort. They just record the SN and look at it. Then charge you for it...

[KirkVining]

Originally Posted by moparmike

Kirk, you will get no arguement from me that the Form 4473 is registration by another name.

Mass, MD,, NY, NJ, and the PRK have their own set of restrictive gun laws. Hell, Michigan has its own state-registration scheme for handguns, only they call it a "Safety Inspection," when it is nothing of the sort. They just record the SN and look at it. Then charge you for it...

IMHO, if your going to own something Big Brother doesn't know about, I would suggest getting to know collectors of WW II vintage firearms. If purchased from a private party, the guns probably have never been registered anywhere. A .45 Colt is still one of the baddest MFs around and an M1 Carbine is actually a better weapon for urban home defense situations in populated areas than a .223.

I do have a question for some one knowledgable - what about when you check your firearm in with a gunsmith at a licensed shop. Do you have to get a Brady check to get your own gun back?

[moparmike]

What do you mean "check in"? If its a repair or whatever, no you dont. You can even ship it accross state lines, directly to an FFL or a gun manufacturer (for waranty work, etc) w/o using a local FFL yourself. Just UPS it.

AFAIK, if you own it, its yours. If you sell it to the gunshop and you buy it back, you have to 4473 it and NICS it.

And a 12ga is the ultimate HD weapon. Birdshot inside of 10yds, 00buck outside of that.

If you could find some hollowpoints for the carbine though...

[KirkVining]

Hollow points jam in all my M1s, for some reason.

I agree a 12 ga is the most effective for burglars etc, but I was speaking to the threads main thrust, which seems to be cheaply built or acquired assault type weapons for civil unrest situations, for example, having a fire fight with your Anthrax-crazed Flesh Eating Zombie neighbor across the street, while not wanting the bullets to travel much further than that, an M1 Carbine would be a good choice.

The reason why I asked the other question is because in Texas they are running Brady checks on guys who pawn weapons, which actaully is not really giving up ownership. The practice is becoming controversial. A lot of times when the pawner goes back to get the gun out if hock, the cops are waiting for them, so its not really a bad thing, but it bothers me that they are doing a background check (and hence entering you and your gun's identity into a federal computer database) when the gun doesn't really change ownership. I was wondering if they were now doing this anytime you drop a gun off at a FFL, repair, consignment, appraisal, whatever. If they can do it for pawns, why not everything else?

[william rogers]

Iv'e had 10/22's since they first came out .It a great gun for the money. With a bit of modifacation makes a great 50 yd target rifle and can still be used for hunting small game or blasting dangerous beer cans.............

William Rogers............

[KirkVining]

I had a Mini for awhile. They are great guns, but watch the hot reloads or you will have headspace problems on the non-stainless models. Mine was really tricked out, I had a scope with a range finder, telescopic bipod, flash hider, you name it. I sold it for twice what I paid for it. The .223 is a really great round. I think they are making a .308 version now, too.

[mzsmbs]

I've had my 10/22 for quite some time and just love it. light, accurate...

banana clips of 30-50 rounds are pretty readily available at gun shows and I am pretty sure that wood stock ones were about $125 at sprawl-mart. I did pick an extra 10 shot factory clip for under $10 last year...

[mzsmbs]

what's AKM? I've seen AK-47 for about half that price around here and SKS for about $400.