Neat bumper sticker I saw today

[engatwork]

"Politicians prefer unarmed peasants"

Makes you think doesn't it? I can't help but wonder if all those I Iraqi "insurgents" had had all the firepower they currently have then why didn't they overthrow Saddam theirselves?

[KirkVining]

The Iraqis were as well armed under Saddam as they are today. To rule an armed society, you simply carry out military style operations against the populace.

The problem with these theories is the word "society". Heavily armed populaces are not exactly a good thing when societies are deeply divided.

[mzsmbs]

Originally Posted by KirkVining

The Iraqis were as well armed under Saddam as they are today.

not really at all. only soldiers had them (most Sunni) and some Kurdish revolutionaries but Sad gave out AK47s right before US invasion (general amnesty too) like we give out candy on Halloween.

[moparmike]

I have been reading on DU when Bush won that they finally saw what the right saw in guns. But, they just had to mention that once they were through, that guns would be banned because then society would be perfect. :



And the insurgents got most of their weapons from the ammodumps. Our soldiers have been (tragically) destroying genuine AK47s (instead of shipping them here to be sold on the Class3 market) STILL IN THEIR FREAKING WRAPPER!!! We just haven't been committing the gregious sin of destroying the rifles quickly enough to keep them out of insurgent hands.

[Tirebiter]

" He who beats his weapons into plow shears...............
Will plow for those who didn't."

[KirkVining]

Originally Posted by moparmike

I have been reading on DU when Bush won that they finally saw what the right saw in guns. But, they just had to mention that once they were through, that guns would be banned because then society would be perfect. :



And the insurgents got most of their weapons from the ammodumps. Our soldiers have been (tragically) destroying genuine AK47s (instead of shipping them here to be sold on the Class3 market) STILL IN THEIR FREAKING WRAPPER!!! We just haven't been committing the gregious sin of destroying the rifles quickly enough to keep them out of insurgent hands.

Michael Savage has done more to change the mind of Democrats on the gun issue in two years than 40 years of the NRA. You listen to him, or Gallegher, and a lot of the other far-right AM radio nuts, you hear them calling fo mass arrests and camps for "filthy lying liberal scum" - about 20 minutes of that and the wisdom of the 2nd Amendment dawns on them. I tell all my democrat friends to not only stop advocating gun control, but to get a gun and learn how to use it.

Originally Posted by KirkVining

The Iraqis were as well armed under Saddam as they are today. To rule an armed society, you simply carry out military style operations against the populace.

The problem with these theories is the word "society". Heavily armed populaces are not exactly a good thing when societies are deeply divided.

Dig something up to prove that.

[KirkVining]

Originally Posted by MedMech

Dig something up to prove that.

I know this fact really embarasses you guys, because if it is true than one is left with the question: Why these people didn't rise up to free themselves? But it is true, guns were as legal in Iraq under Saddam as they are in the US . In fact, they will end up having less gun rights under the new government than they did under Saddam, if the US gets its way.

Here it is directly from a gun mag site:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=6211
Snip:

The licenses replace permits issued by the U.S. civilian administration that handed over sovereignty in June. Citizens may own only handguns and hunting rifles. Special permission is needed to own military AK-47s. People who want these weapons, mainly for self-defense, take their case to the Interior Ministry.

The requirements for gun ownership -- minimum age of 18, no history of mental illness and no record of violent criminal activity -- are the same as under Saddam Hussein's regime. The permanent Iraqi government, set to be elected in January, is expected to write a new licensing law. The Interior Ministry also is considering a weapons buy-back program.


also

http://www.cdi.org/iraq/small-arms-pr.cfm

Originally Posted by KirkVining

I know this fact really embarasses you guys, because if it is true than one is left with the question: Why these people didn't rise up to free themselves? But it is true, guns were as legal in Iraq under Saddam as they are in the US . In fact, they will end up having less gun rights under the new government than they did under Saddam, if the US gets its way.

Here it is directly from a gun mag site:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=6211
Snip:

The licenses replace permits issued by the U.S. civilian administration that handed over sovereignty in June. Citizens may own only handguns and hunting rifles. Special permission is needed to own military AK-47s. People who want these weapons, mainly for self-defense, take their case to the Interior Ministry.

The requirements for gun ownership -- minimum age of 18, no history of mental illness and no record of violent criminal activity -- are the same as under Saddam Hussein's regime. The permanent Iraqi government, set to be elected in January, is expected to write a new licensing law. The Interior Ministry also is considering a weapons buy-back program.


also

http://www.cdi.org/iraq/small-arms-pr.cfm

Thanks for the link, there's no embarassment I thought i'd let you do the research unlike the treestand thread that you won't reply to because you and your homie were so off base.

[KirkVining]

I don't think all the facts are in on that one. The Lao guy gave a statement that is a total contradiction of that 5 page statement. There is also no word yet on whether alchohol is involved.

[MS Fowler]

Kirk,
How can you listen to Michael Savage for even 20 minutes? I've only heard his promotional out takes and those clips are enough to keep me from listening. It worries me that he has any following.

[KirkVining]

Originally Posted by engatwork

"Politicians prefer unarmed peasants"

Makes you think doesn't it? I can't help but wonder if all those I Iraqi "insurgents" had had all the firepower they currently have then why didn't they overthrow Saddam theirselves?

So this is why those oppressed English don't revolt.

[Jim Anderson]

They had a lot, but Sadam had more bigger better. I remember he was into heavy artilary which was more than what they have found from the insergents.

[engatwork]

Heavily armed populaces are not exactly a good thing when societies are deeply divided.

Put that way it could lead to a civil war.

[KirkVining]

I think the only reason we haven't had one here is because the left is not armed.