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Originally Posted by dkveuro

What's with this 'we' business ? :rolleyes:

Well, according to Jesus' reasoning, only those of us who have not sinned have a right to judge whetehr the rest of us are righteous in God's eyes. I accept that it may be presumptous of me to assume that you are without sin. Ascribe my failure of assuming the best, to a life lived at something less than sinless.

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

What's with this 'we' business ? :rolleyes:

"we", as in humans.

(Well as long as this thing is still here... Sailing alongside the U.S.S.W.)

So far at least it would appear that when Jesus stands amongst the political parties the flames subside... Democrat and Republican alike contemplate his message and find no reason to cast stones.

Anybody care to wager upon Mohammed’s status with the G.O.P or the D.N.C.?

(Either that or someone come up with a real thread...please)

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Originally Posted by Botnst

So, what of this ?....1 Corinthians 6:2/3... :)

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

So, what of this ?....1 Corinthians 6:2/3... :)

Okay, you're asking me for a Biblical interpretation. I'm a Darwinian botanist, so I may have a paucity of qualification in the eyes of intolerant some folks.

Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 6, verses 1- 5 (to give context, I added 4 and 5)
1 How can any one of you with a case against another dare to bring it to the unjust for judgment instead of to the holy ones?
2 Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? If the world is to be judged by you, are you unqualified for the lowest law courts?
3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Then why not everyday matters?
4 If, therefore, you have courts for everyday matters, do you seat as judges people of no standing in the church?
5 I say this to shame you. Can it be that there is not one among you wise enough to be able to settle a case between brothers?

St Paul was writing a letter of instruction to a church in Corinth, Greece. They were apparently a lot like modern Americans, going to court to solve problems. At that time there were not many Christians of any sort and the role of Christianity in people's lives was just beginning a metamorphosis, pushed largely by St Paul, to take it out of Judaism and make it something new. Paul argues that people who are not members of the community should not be asked to sit in judgement of people whose dispute is within the community.

Do you think this might be an early argument favoring a separation of Church and State? For example, the Episcopal Chruch in America is on a path to some sort of schism over the role of homosexuals in their church. Would it be right and reasonable to decide the schism in secular court (state or federal) or should it be decided within the jurisdiction of of the Church? I think Paul would argue that it should be decided by the Church, that members alone understand members and that secular courts are distinctly unsuited to that type of case.

How's that?

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Okay, you're asking me for a Biblical interpretation. I'm a Darwinian botanist, so I may have a paucity of qualification in the eyes of intolerant some folks.
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So Paul is refereing to the holy ones who will be judges.
He was talking to those who would be judges be saying.."..If the world is to be judged by you........do you not know that we will judge angels?......."

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Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 6, verses 1- 5 (to give context, I added 4 and 5)
1 How can any one of you with a case against another dare to bring it to the unjust for judgment instead of to the holy ones?
2 Do you not know that the holy ones will judge the world? If the world is to be judged by you, are you unqualified for the lowest law courts?
3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Then why not everyday matters?
4 If, therefore, you have courts for everyday matters, do you seat as judges people of no standing in the church?
5 I say this to shame you. Can it be that there is not one among you wise enough to be able to settle a case between brothers?

St Paul was writing a letter of instruction to a church in Corinth, Greece. They were apparently a lot like modern Americans, going to court to solve problems. At that time there were not many Christians of any sort and the role of Christianity in people's lives was just beginning a metamorphosis, pushed largely by St Paul, to take it out of Judaism and make it something new. Paul argues that people who are not members of the community should not be asked to sit in judgement of people whose dispute is within the community.

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Very valid point....doesthis not mean then,the Boy Scouts of America then have the right as to who should
be a member and who should not ? As indeed any group that has voluntary membership ?__________________________________________________________

Do you think this might be an early argument favoring a separation of Church and State?
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Paul also said...."Obey God a ruler rather than men."
so where secular laws cause you to transgress gods laws, gods law is superior.
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For example, the Episcopal Chruch in America is on a path to some sort of schism over the role of homosexuals in their church. Would it be right and reasonable to decide the schism in secular court (state or federal) or should it be decided within the jurisdiction of of the Church? I think Paul would argue that it should be decided by the Church, that members alone understand members and that secular courts are distinctly unsuited to that type of case.
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The biblical stand with regard to that condition ( role of homosexuals in their church.) has already been stated.
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How's that?

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I think, that the Darwin theory of the species is just that, a theory.

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

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I think, that the Darwin theory of the species is just that, a theory.

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And how would you rate it? As compared to say...?

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Originally Posted by kerry edwards

There are quite a few scholars who think that Jesus was clearly opposed to the Roman Imperial system and this was a significant component of his message and popular appeal. Whether this makes him a Democrat or Republican I don't know.
For a few hundred years, Christians were forbidden from serving in the Roman Imperial army.

Wasn’t the main thrust of Christ’s goals to promote love and common welfare? Isn't it true that the crucifix, symbol of Christianity had its root in combating state sponsored torture through personal sacrifice?

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Originally Posted by A264172

And how would you rate it? As compared to say...?

As compared to.....creationism ?

" '' .....Big bang.

'' '' (Enter option. )

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

As compared to.....creationism ?

" '' .....Big bang.

'' '' (Enter option. )

It is the best, most complete rational explanation of the presence and diversity and fossil record of life on Earth.

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Originally Posted by Botnst

It is the best, most complete rational explanation of the presence and diversity and fossil record of life on Earth.

Wot is ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Botnst

It is the best, most complete rational explanation of the presence and diversity and fossil record of life on Earth.

The question was about evolution, I think. To which I replied, above.

Would Christ have favored evolution…had he known about it…or would it have interfered with his belief of love and personal sacrifice?

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Originally Posted by Lebenz

Would Christ have favored evolution…had he known about it…or would it have interfered with his belief of love and personal sacrifice?

Give on to Hippocrates what is Hippocrateses?
My take...

I don't think that democrats or republicans were around then. I would say that since the forming of the parties, they have changed in their views so, the question would be moot.