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Originally Posted by Gilly

Well, you're not paying attention to the union at all, which is fine. Don't you ever read the Teamster magazine? You're a member of a full-fledged Democratic organization, this is irrefutable. Your head is firmly planted in the sand if you disagree. NOT that I would chastise you for having your own opinion, or your brothers, but you and your brothers should realize where the union stands and IMHO you should back your union or vote to disband (or whatever the vote is called to dump the union).

Gilly

I am for the Union......and have no problems with it.....What I do have a major problem with is the entire basis of the democratic party as it exists today.

I do boycot any companies our fellow members have issues with or hold strikes against.

Their Support for the DNC is the only thing I have issue with. I am solidly behind them on every other issue.

And I have been a member for 11 years.

Well, I guess that this is a pretty major thing to have an issue with. Put it this way: I wouldn't pay dues to a Union if I disagreed with their politics. All you do is weaken the Union. If I were you I'd find out about this policy (maybe it's only in certain states) where you pay smaller dues because you are represented by the Union, but aren't a card-carrying Union member. Or find a non-Union job.

Gilly

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Originally Posted by Gilly

This is the only Union Job I ever had....don't have problems with the union....Like I said....but after this last election with the DNC acting like a bunch of spoiled punks with their attitudes and behaviour I can honestly say I have nothing but contempt for the DNC as a result. But that in my mind has nothing to do with weather I support the union and what it does for its members.

I can see we will never agree about this, which is fine. (Your still my brother :love:

Gilly

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Originally Posted by Gilly

The wife works for a union because she wants to work at Meriter Hospital. :( Now, she has a choice as to whether to be a member or not. HOWEVER, the difference is that you pay a "pimp fee", as I call it. All the difference is when you look at it is that your dues don't go support any of their silly causes. Supposedly, it goes into the bargaining and what not. Her place is a full union shop so you will pay and be represented whether you want to or not. Your pay scale is already prearranged. Of course, I suppose if she learnt to be a true union worker, she would have an easier time with work. She could probably do anything short of murder, and maybe even that, and the union would make it impossible for the company to fire her. That explains why some of her colleagues can refuse to do things they would normally have to do. IOW, part of their job.

Walmart's hiring...low wages, always.

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Originally Posted by H2O2

Walmart's hiring...low wages, always.

Well, if my wife didn't mind driving, for the sort of RN job she does (works everywhere but the operating room) she could have gone to Janesville and worked for $4 less an hour as a base pay. However the bonus for that type of job is 20% of her base pay. If she were to do it, I'd be :huepfenic because she would be paid more and not have to work for a union shop.

Plus you'd be alot closer to "Petticoat Junction" out there on Hwy 14.........

Gilly

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Originally Posted by Botnst ...QUOTE

Omnipotent = God
Omnipotent = unlimited power and authority
From a perspective: as opposed to limited power and authority of a subservient. Not infinite power… but unlimited… without imposed limits i.e. beginning of power, decline of power, end of power… all the power all the time. What are we in relation to the whole or "all the power"?

You say nature is not worthy of worship, but what about that which molds it and directs it?
Natural things or material can be measured. As can the forces and laws that create them and that they themselves create. But nature does not create these laws willy nilly as it would like. It is constrained to act in accordance with “the spinning of the potters wheel”.
And what begins as a lump of clay finds itself transformed into a pottery. Which is used… and broken… and eventually ground to dust. During its life the pottery carried water to a table for its master, or held a procession of flowers within view of the guestroom. In other words it served a purpose of its creator.

“What is our purpose?” I believe is the search for God. The forces that have shaped us have given us eyes to see, but we see with the filters required to maintain our existence. Required by what we, as minute fractions of the whole, would describe as catastrophes. As individuals, groups, species, solar systems… it is a struggle to become… through time, however short or long, and each needs to reconcile that these shaping forces are to be played out in it in relation to something all encompassing.

Sanity cannot be had in places beyond our reach. Within our immediately surroundings and withinside ourselves we can connect to those shaping forces in an accepting or affirming way. And thereby actualize our own purposes as intended servants of some cause. Would God minus you be less than whole? How could his guest see the flower?
edit: Hows that for an anthropomorphization?

What I was trying to say (I'm tempted to steal from a more famous author and say, "In the beginning...") is that IF there is a God...then I gave my peculiar version of some attributes of that God. So we're in danger of confusing our definitions of God and then wondering why we don't agree on the resultant argument.

So why don't you tell me what your definition of God is. Try to avoid using somebody else's description (ie, Biblical) because that would result in us arguing about what the other person (Bible) REALLY meant.

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Originally Posted by Botnst

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So why don't you tell me what your definition of God is. Try to avoid using somebody else's description (ie, Biblical) because that would result in us arguing about what the other person (Bible) REALLY meant.

Ok... Not that I think about this all the time (though I do think it has a lot more potential that politics), first thing that pops into my head is, Gods main characteristics are,.. it’s worthy of my worship and obedience to the point where it is my duty to do so. What it wants me to do and become I have much more general (non-specific) ideas about.

...sounds like you're describing my cats. I may need to rethink my relationship with them from now on.

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Originally Posted by H2O2

...sounds like you're describing my cats. I may need to rethink my relationship with them from now on.

Think of your dog. Looking at it the other way it spells god.

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Originally Posted by A264172

What makes me an agnostic rather than either an atheist or a religionist is that I must preface all of my remarks about God or gods with, "If...".

The problem with trying to arrive at God logically and rationally is that we humans impose our logic and reason on God and expect that its presence will conform to these peculiar forms of expectations. This would be okay if God were a rationally or logically circumscribed entity, but I see no evidence to support that hypothesis, do you?

It may be that these tools of human intellect are as useful for understanding God as a thermometer is for determining the velocity of a train--wrong tool, wrong problem.

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Originally Posted by H2O2

...sounds like you're describing my cats. I may need to rethink my relationship with them from now on.

ever watch Red Dwarf?

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Originally Posted by aklim

Think of your dog. Looking at it the other way it spells god.

I am a horrible speller. If I write more than a few words I have to do it in MS Word. For this thread I titled my Word.doc dog :D