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Botnst 08-25-2005 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by matt7531
It does not have more oil than Iraq. It currently supplies more oil to the US than Iraq, but Iraq has much,much more untapped reserves, reserves which the US right wing seem to think it is ok to steal.

Prove it.

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matt7531 08-25-2005 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst
Go reread what I wrote, silly boy.

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I wonder if that promise is worth as much as all the ones Bush made about seeking every available option to not invade Iraq, things he was saying that the Downing memo shows he was already planning to invade Iraq. Given all the lies we have been told about WMDs, "death throes" insurgencies, liberators not occupiers, Iraq paying for its own reconstruction, etc ad naeseum, why do you think this promise is worth much more than a boot full of cat piss?

matt7531 08-25-2005 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst
Prove it.

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Why do I have to "prove it"? You've said it over and over again. You have indicated time again that might makes right, that the US has a right to dictate to the people of Iraq at gunpoint if necessary, that the people of the United States have a right to it's oil. Are you disavowing those statements at this time?

Botnst 08-25-2005 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by matt7531
Why do I have to "prove it"? You've said it over and over again. You have indicated time again that might makes right, that the US has a right to dictate to the people of Iraq at gunpoint if necessary, that the people of the United States have a right to it's oil. Are you disavowing those statements at this time?

You make an asserting that is at variance with the claims and stated aims of the US Government. They offer an argument and supporting evidence, you offer an accusation and then fail to support it wityh facts, reason, or logic. Instead you do the Houston Two-Step. See the difference?

Where did I say, "might makes right?" You're doing that accusation thingy again, aren't you?

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H2O2 08-25-2005 11:47 PM

If he's not doing it, I will. It's implied in your entire assertion that we had a "right" to unilaterally attack, invade and occupy another sovereign nation, simply because they might, just might possibly theoretically impede our access to a resource we don't even own...all because we can. If we couldn't, we wouldn't.

cmac2012 08-26-2005 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst
Our government engineered a coup attempt in Venezuela in this century? I didn't know that.

Linkee please.

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My good Botnst, do you suppose that were Bush and co. deeply involved in attempting to overthrow Chavez they would be so careless as to leave a paper trail outlining that? Damn me for not having links to the innermost workings of Rummers' personal intel dept.

The circumstantial evidence is there. You were paying attention back then?

cmac2012 08-26-2005 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst
Oh, apparent support by the apparent Nazis. I'm geting the hang of this now.

Is it okay for me to refer to people who have strong opposition to the war in Iraq as, "apparent cowards" and "apparent terrorists supporters" and "apparent terrorist sympathizers?"

Just trying to keep it real...and fair and balanced, ya'll.

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Whoa dude, did you get ahold of some bad coffee perhaps?

While we're on the topic of "Linkee please," perhaps you could provide some links that give evidence of our bringing democracy to El Salvador and Nicaragua at the point of a gun, as you alluded to a while back.

Oh, no doubt there are those who will provide reams of information to support that POV. It doesn't take a masters in Latin Am. studies to discern that a more accurate description of what went on in those long suffering lands under the hand of Reagan and Schultz was a restoring of kleptocracy.

cmac2012 08-26-2005 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by H2O2
Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.

Hey, good article. This line here is not one that will play well in the heart of a Texas oilman.

Don't them dang suthners realize that we are the master of this hemisphere?

cmac2012 08-26-2005 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cscmc1
Yes, and the administration was so quick to agree with him... :rolleyes:

If, and I doubt it's true, but if the admin. did have plans to assasinate him, the LAST thing they would want is a howdy doody lookin' TV preacher spilling the beans on TV followed up by Condi Rice saying, "You know, he makes an excellent point..."

Botnst 08-26-2005 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
My good Botnst, do you suppose that were Bush and co. deeply involved in attempting to overthrow Chavez they would be so careless as to leave a paper trail outlining that? Damn me for not having links to the innermost workings of Rummers' personal intel dept.

The circumstantial evidence is there. You were paying attention back then?

Oh, so lack of evidence is evidence of conspiracy? Where did you get your law degree and can I buy one, too?

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Botnst 08-26-2005 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
Whoa dude, did you get ahold of some bad coffee perhaps?

While we're on the topic of "Linkee please," perhaps you could provide some links that give evidence of our bringing democracy to El Salvador and Nicaragua at the point of a gun, as you alluded to a while back....

Did we supply weapons and training to freedom fighters?
After years of fighting, did they then hold free elections?
Are they currently democracies?

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MedMech 08-26-2005 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012
Whoa dude, did you get ahold of some bad coffee perhaps?

While we're on the topic of "Linkee please," perhaps you could provide some links that give evidence of our bringing democracy to El Salvador and Nicaragua at the point of a gun, as you alluded to a while back.


Hey man, those turned out good I think the burdon would be on the person attempting to prove otherwise. I spent a considerable amount of time way down south and I will tell you that it was guns and guns only that won that battle.

MedMech 08-26-2005 10:49 PM

Did we supply weapons and training to freedom fighters? Yes
After years of fighting, did they then hold free elections? Yes
Are they currently democracies? Yes

Honus 08-26-2005 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MedMech
Did we supply weapons and training to freedom fighters? Yes
After years of fighting, did they then hold free elections? Yes
Are they currently democracies? Yes

Well, that is certainly a "simplified" chronology.

Botnst 08-26-2005 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin
Well, that is certainly a "simplified" chronology.

Apply adjectives that please you.

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