I've had conversations with a colleague who has left over embryos from artifical insemination. She is not inclined to destroy them because she thinks they are full human beings. A thought crossed my mind today as I was reading a paper on cloning: It is possible that my colleague could give these embryos to her children. The child could implant the embryos and give birth. What are the moral/social implications of being the mother of your own brother or sister?

As far as I know, this would be completely legal, yet the moral and social implications seem in many ways to be similar to that of cloning, particularly if the child chooses an embryo that is her identical twin.

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1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Wow..the ramnifications of that one can get pretty bizzare.."whos the father? oh my dad is.....?" I'd pay good money to see people faces on that one.


But ethicly...I'm how that would stand..becasue all that would be happening is they are a surrigate..

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

sounds like "Back to the Future".....

Does a parent have an obligation to pass on the embryos to their children for a future spare parts supply?

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1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Ask Sophocles or Lot.

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Where the process to ever become normal, would it signify the end of the family as a place of reverence or perhaps advance the case for ID?

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...Tracy

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'92 400E "Stella"

Actually, frozen embryos would be a result of IVF, not artificial insemination.

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Heck, my wife and I were in infertility treatment for so long that I could give a course on embryology.

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Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

Thanks. I knew I didn't have it right when I wrote that but I couldn't remember the correct term.

Do you know how long frozen embryos will remain viable?

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Not sure why, but this thread reminds me of the film Eraser Head…

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...Tracy

'00 ML320 "Casper"
'92 400E "Stella"

Exactly.

Embryo quality isn't diminished by cryopreserving.

The success rate for thawed-out embryos is the same as that for fresh embryos.

However, not all embryos survive the thawing-out process, so that needs to be taken into consideration when deciding how many embryos to thaw out in relation to how many you decide to implant.

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Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

Yep, meds aren't covered, even if you do have the ART rider in your health insurance policy, they still aren't covered.

The prescription drugs can cost from between $2,500 to $5,000, depending on the protocol.

Note for the future: the same meds are available from pharmacies in Mexico and England for a much cheaper price. My wife and I ordered from an international pharmacy in London several times, at 50% discounts to prices in the U.S.

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Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".