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NKowi · #61 12-20-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

pull your head out of the sand...........and open your eyes....

YOU made the assertion it was illegal....so prove it? What law was violated? Can you present any proof whatsoever the president does not have that autority in time of war?

Yes. But it would be wasted on you.

boneheaddoctor · #62 12-20-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NKowi

Yes. But it would be wasted on you.

You can't present proof of ANY violation of law and all you want to do is bash Bush.....

and this proves it.

Botnst · #63 12-20-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NKowi

Gosh Bot, it's not like you, but you must have somehow missed where I said "If - repeat if - there's anything to the story as it is currently being reported".

I also said "Don't be surprised". Frankly, I'd be surprised if a thinking man like you would be surprised by such a revelation.

I suppose, rather than simply post the possibility I could have taken bone's tack, and simply stated that Bush had Kerry's offices wire-tapped, then demand proof that he did not.

When you say if...

I grab my foil hat.

Cause -> Effect.

Perfectly reasonable.

You have your set of assumptions that you think are reasonable and I have mine. Mine involve foil.

Bot

NKowi · #64 12-20-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

You can't present proof of ANY violation of law and all you want to do is bash Bush.....

and this proves it.

Drat!!! You got me.

NKowi · #65 12-20-2005, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

When you say if...

I grab my foil hat.

Cause -> Effect.

Perfectly reasonable.

You have your set of assumptions that you think are reasonable and I have mine. Mine involve foil.

Bot

I made no assumption, simply provided one possibility.

Yes, I believe yours might.

Botnst · #66 12-20-2005, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NKowi

I made no assumption, simply provided one possibility.

Yes, I believe yours might.

Of course there's at least one assumption in your thingy about it being plausible that Bush bugged Kerry's office. IMO it is about as plausible as mind-control rays, hence the call for all Brother Neocons to implement Operation Foil-Hat.

Bot

Southernstar · #67 12-20-2005, 09:50 PM

Look BDB obviously FISA is the law. Ok. Now, you may or may not know of this law. Which basically says that, yes the POTUS can order a suspects phone to be tapped in a time of war. PROVIDING, that within 72 hours of the wire tap, a showing is made to the FISA Court and then the Court will issue a wire tap.
Ok, now I know this is hard to grasp, but W can't just order this on his own and not get the Courts approval. He's not a King.

boneheaddoctor · #68 12-20-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Southernstar

Look BDB obviously FISA is the law. Ok. Now, you may or may not know of this law. Which basically says that, yes the POTUS can order a suspects phone to be tapped in a time of war. PROVIDING, that within 72 hours of the wire tap, a showing is made to the FISA Court and then the Court will issue a wire tap.
Ok, now I know this is hard to grasp, but W can't just order this on his own and not get the Courts approval. He's not a King.

what proof do you have procedures were not followed? Outside of any left wing organisations comments that is. And during a time of war the President does have sweeping powers that bush haters just throw fits over....

Southernstar · #69 12-20-2005, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
pull your head out of the sand...........and open your eyes....

YOU made the assertion it was illegal....so prove it? What law was violated? Can you present any proof whatsoever the president does not have that autority in time of war?

See my earlier post as to why the above is false.

Southernstar · #70 12-20-2005, 09:54 PM

Well let's see the Sec of State did not know under what authority the wire taps were approved, may tend to give this impression.

NKowi · #71 12-20-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Of course there's at least one assumption in your thingy about it being plausible that Bush bugged Kerry's office. IMO it is about as plausible as mind-control rays, hence the call for all Brother Neocons to implement Operation Foil-Hat.

Bot

The more I think about bone's approach, the more I appreciate it's simplicity (read, lack of reasonable thought); PROVE Bush didn't bug the Kerry camp. You can't can you? Therefore - back to bone's logic - Bush must have done it.
THIS IS SOOOOO EASY!!!

boneheaddoctor · #72 12-20-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Southernstar

Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor
pull your head out of the sand...........and open your eyes....

YOU made the assertion it was illegal....so prove it? What law was violated? Can you present any proof whatsoever the president does not have that autority in time of war?

See my earlier post as to why the above is false.

And I presented proof that the president is well within his legal rights to do so....

Clinton did it....even though they are trying to deny it just like th eperjury thing...Roosivelt did it....Lincoln did it...just for starters....there has been numerous others....

AND it has been uphelt over the years via the Supreme court.

Just becasue the DNC has an agenda doesn't change that fact.

Botnst · #73 12-20-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Southernstar

Look BDB obviously FISA is the law. Ok. Now, you may or may not know of this law. Which basically says that, yes the POTUS can order a suspects phone to be tapped in a time of war. PROVIDING, that within 72 hours of the wire tap, a showing is made to the FISA Court and then the Court will issue a wire tap.
Ok, now I know this is hard to grasp, but W can't just order this on his own and not get the Courts approval. He's not a King.

I think you are posting truthful information but not the whole truth.

The gov can listen to foreign calls without a court order. I mean, we can legally eavesdrop on Chirac's boyfriend's phone if we want, no court order needed.

Also, we can listen, without court order to a foriegn national in the USA talk to a foriegn phone number.

The grey area is when the a US citizen is on the line with a foreigner and one of them is outside of the USA. The Ames case asserted that it was legal without a court order since Ames was presumed to be in contact with a foriegn power, regardless of who was actually on the other phone.

B

boneheaddoctor · #74 12-20-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Southernstar

Well let's see the Sec of State did not know under what authority the wire taps were approved, may tend to give this impression.

OH right...but you are the all-knowing-god-of-all-things

How about explaining Operation Able Danger..which the left has gone out of their way to bury that happened a YEAR before 9/11 in Clintons term. I suppose that was different.

NKowi · #75 12-20-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

OH right...but you are the all-knowing-god-of-all-things

How about explaining Operation Able Danger..which the left has gone out of their way to bury that happened a YEAR before 9/11 in Clintons term. I suppose that was different.

You miss Clinton, don't you?