American Soldiers Dying Because America Tolerates Homosexuality

[Kuan]

According to: http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html

So these guys go around and picket at funerals. Not just any funeral, dead soldiers' funerals.

But check out the Patriot Guard: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/21/funeral.motorcyclists.ap/

Another story here: http://www.startribune.com/462/story/266514.html

[H2O2]

NPR did a segment on this group a couple of weeks ago. It was hard to listen and not shout at the radio. Truly a disturbed bunch.

[John Doe]

KV educated us on this subject and I saw the 60 Minutes special a while ago. Take your pick--there are thousands of fringe groups like this.

Get this for a dilemma: Some friends of mine called me 2 weeks ago. The Klan had placed a pamphlet in their mailbox--what to do? I asked if it had postage--it did not. I said call the PO and report them this is a federal crime. Then they told me about the pamphlet. It was letting them know that a convicted pedophile had moved in down the street and had not registered within the statutory period of time as an offender. They didn't drop a dime on the Klan, but don't feel good about it.

[Nate]

Originally Posted by John Doe

KV educated us on this subject and I saw the 60 Minutes special a while ago. Take your pick--there are thousands of fringe groups like this.

Get this for a dilemma: Some friends of mine called me 2 weeks ago. The Klan had placed a pamphlet in their mailbox--what to do? I asked if it had postage--it did not. I said call the PO and report them this is a federal crime. Then they told me about the pamphlet. It was letting them know that a convicted pedophile had moved in down the street and had not registered within the statutory period of time as an offender. They didn't drop a dime on the Klan, but don't feel good about it.

ack, though one on that...

I wouldnt say anything, but I would definetly note it
~Nate

[mikemover]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Get this for a dilemma: Some friends of mine called me 2 weeks ago. The Klan had placed a pamphlet in their mailbox--what to do? I asked if it had postage--it did not. I said call the PO and report them this is a federal crime. Then they told me about the pamphlet. It was letting them know that a convicted pedophile had moved in down the street and had not registered within the statutory period of time as an offender. They didn't drop a dime on the Klan, but don't feel good about it.

Was this "convicted pedophile" black, white, latino, or what?....

I'd bet money that he's black, and that his RACE is their true motivation....

Even if that's not the case, they're just trying to score some good public-relations points in the neighborhood. They're not merely "doing it for the children". Don't let such distraction tactics obscure your view of what they really are: Ignorant hate-mongers.

I'd report them.

Mike

[superlite17]

Fred Phelps has been doing this ignorant #&@* for over a decade. My guess is he must make a decent living with his persona, follow the money. Someday he will piss off the wrong person at the wrong time and they will put a .308 round between those beady little eye's.
Paul
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[John Doe]

Originally Posted by mikemover

I'd bet money that he's black, and that his RACE is their true motivation....

Redneck trailer trash from Jacksonville Florida.

[AuctorEcclesiae]

And more importantly ... God does NOT hate fags. I could go into an entire theological dissertation on this, but I won't. Just gotta love those fundamentalists who read and interpret every little word literally. Perhaps they forgot to read later on in Leviticus where the punishment of lacking in charity is handed down ....

[superlite17]

Originally Posted by AuctorEcclesiae

And more importantly ... God does NOT hate fags. I could go into an entire theological dissertation on this, but I won't. Just gotta love those fundamentalists who read and interpret every little word literally. Perhaps they forgot to read later on in Leviticus where the punishment of lacking in charity is handed down ....

Right you are. Not that pity or charity are warranted though, imho.
Paul
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[Botnst]

I think that the definition of "charity" has shifted since KJV, which is why later interpretations shift from translations in St Paul's Letter to the Corinthians. IIRC KJV says that the greatest virtues are faith hope and charity and charity is the greatest while later translations say faith hope and love and that love is the greatest.

A problem with English translations of these concepts is that our use of love covers everything from football to mankind, one's spouse, children, appetites, intellectual challenges and the feelings for one's offspring. Other languages allow for more precise use of words that segment our use of love.

Anyway, charity used to be the translation of the Greek 'agape' or filial love. So the word that once meant filial love for one's neighbor has shifted to a form of pity. I think it is a shift in meaning that has negatively affected our understanding of love and charity.

B

PS What follows is an interesting take on the problem.

What makes Cupid's arrows stick?
Dr Thomas Stuttaford
Scans reveal how the brain changes when we fall in love

One major advance in medicine, rarely given the credit that it deserves, is the introduction of sterile, sharp, disposable needles. Forty years ago my partner and I filled in the time before morning surgery by sharpening much-used old needles on an oiled grindstone, before sterilising them.
Cupid, the son of Venus, sharpened his arrows, too — in a similar way to that employed at the Fleggburgh surgery, though he used blood rather than oil on his grindstone. There is a legend, followed up by Shakespeare, that Cupid had two types of arrow: one gave rise to long-lasting, committed, so-called virtuous love, the other to lust. The arrows that led to lasting love were gold, which would have needed careful sharpening to penetrate and stay embedded.



The lovestruck person hit by a golden arrow would pass through the three stages leading to lasting commitment — lust, acceptance and attachment, and deep friendship. What could be more virtuous? Cupid’s other arrows were leaden: although they might strike their victim, they were unlikely to penetrate, let alone to remain embedded. Cupid’s leaden arrow gave rise to short-lived, lustful, sensual passion.

That there are different types of love, the virtuous and the lustful, the one lasting and the other transient, is accepted by neurophysiologists and psychologists. The brain and the hormonal endocrine system have been studied, as has the biochemical and radiological effect of the two types of arrow. Cupid’s arrows now are made neither of gold nor of lead, but by visual images and, above all, by a whiff of pheromones or scent.

We are attracted by those in whom we can see something of ourselves, or of our opposite parent, or of some other role-forming adult figure of our childhood. It may be that only one part of the woman’s body (in the case of a man) can sharpen the arrow so that it penetrates. Nearly all people of both sexes, even if they don’t admit it, suffer from a degree of partialism — a sexual preference for a particular part of the body of a future mate.

The pheromones are produced by the modified sweat glands around the nipples, groin, genitalia and under the arm. They are also present in the cheeks, eyelids, ears, temple and scalp, where they secrete a less obvious smell.

Recent research indicates that tears also contain pheromones. The romantic novelist’s idea of the tough hero’s resolve melting when the woman cries may not have represented any change in his hard heart: perhaps the smell of the tears merely stimulated those parts of the brain — the ventral tegmental area (VTA), the dorsal caudate body and caudate tail — that, according to the science writer Michael Gross, are activated during those first lustful stages of love in someone genetically or environmentally conditioned to succumb.

These changes in the brain, demonstrated in MRI studies, disappear once the lustful, romantic stage has waned. Indeed, a rejected ex-lover has a quite different batch of brain responses — areas associated with obsessive compulsive behaviour, controlled anger and pain are activated, hence the observation that rejection can superficially heighten love and alter its nature.

When people fall in love, the MRI changes are accompanied by changes in blood serotonin levels that mirror those found in people with obsessional states. At the same time, levels of the hormones cortisol FSH and testosterone rise. Surprisingly, the rate at which testosterone rises in lovestruck women is greater than in men, in whom there may even be a slight fall. The level of another chemical messenger, nerve growth factor (NGF), also rises in the blood of those who are “in love”.

The biochemical results suggest that a leaden arrow falls out between 12 and 24 months after Cupid has struck. The hormonal changes and increase in NGF disappear and levels return to normal.

Luckily for those hit by a golden arrow, the second stage of attachment is tipped with oxytocin, the so-called “cuddle hormone” associated with female orgasms, delivery and lactation. This stays at a higher level so long as the second stage of partnership lasts.

[superlite17]

Originally Posted by Botnst

charity used to be the translation of the Greek 'agape' or filial love. So the word that once meant filial love for one's neighbor has shifted to a form of pity. I think it is a shift in meaning that has negatively affected our understanding of love and charity.

And right you are. Thanks for the reminder Botnst. When I read AuctorEcclesiae's post I think I probably understood the intended usage of charity but was somehow drawn into commenting on what would be a more contemporary use of the word.
Yours was a very thoughtful and useful post, I hope it gets a lot of reads.
Paul
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Originally Posted by AuctorEcclesiae

And more importantly ... God does NOT hate fags. I could go into an entire theological dissertation on this, but I won't. Just gotta love those fundamentalists who read and interpret every little word literally. Perhaps they forgot to read later on in Leviticus where the punishment of lacking in charity is handed down ....

HE DOES, That's why he killed them in 2 cities

[Maroon 300D]

Originally Posted by intelligent

HE DOES, That's why he killed them in 2 cities

Then why are San Fran and Provincetown, Mass. still around?

Originally Posted by Maroon 300D

Then why are San Fran and Provincetown, Mass. still around?

They won't be for long. Pat Robertson, the bigot will agree and would call the destruction of New Orleans punishment for sexual promiscuity

[Maroon 300D]

I read about a preacher who said the same thing about New Orleans, and someone in the crowd asked him why the French Quarter was one of the most intact areas of the city! LOL.