what the hell is going on
 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/amish.shooting.ap/index.html

why the amish? what did they ever do?

Maybe easy access to guns. He would have had a hard time doing that with a knife. Whackjob + easy access to guns = events like this. It is like nukes but most every US citizen can have one. I feel more secure already.

Going nuts knows no bounds, I guess . . .
 

So much for the lifestyle of the Amish somehow exempting them from the craziness of our times. I am surprised, as I would have assumed that the religious and sociological factors in the Amish community would have precluded something as extreme as this.

Thats 4 in the past 3 weeks I believe.

Canada, Penn., Colorado and Wisconsin (this last one almost took place but was stopped in the final planning stages).

:dizzy2: Crazy stuff.

This happened very,very close to me

People are going "ape $hit" for no reason. Oh well, I'm not going to say anything bad about the shooter since I didn't know him. For all we know he was abused as a child and was not a normal human being.

I think all these people are also doing it to get on TV. I don't know if you guys read the statistics but there are more suicides in America than murders!!! Heck, if I was going to kill myself I would want to be famous at the same time. I guess that's the thinking behind these guys' motives.

This crap has got to stop. The powers that be need to own up to the fact that our kids are not safe in schools any more and take some serious security measures. Walmart has more security than our schools do.:mad:

I don't think I'm strong enough for something like this to happen to my child. It would break me.

This is an Amish schoolhouse. Of all the senseless acts of violence, this one totally eludes me.

Whats going on? No shootings for quite awhile then almost one a week? Is there something in the water? These kids are going nuts, time for security in the schools.

September school stress?

..except this kid was 32 years old. And being a milk truck driver, it seems he and other service people like him would have pretty easy access to a school building.

More laws made and freedoms taken away!!!!!! YAAAAA!!!! A couple of wackos always mess things up for us normal people. These dumb a$$es see all the publicity these other killers get on the news and figure it's time do it themselves.

I agree with Hatterasguy,, I think there's something in the water. It seems like in the last four years of my life there has been a lot of crazy SH!+ going on in the US.

I just wish these A$$ holes would just "do" themselves instead of taking the lives of others!!!!!

He shot young girls execution style, how can a person that can commit something like this go unnoticed? People like that have to be well known weirdo's I will never accept the "he just snapped" defense.

Very very sad.

Yeah, I can't imagin there are not signs when someone proves themselves to be that crazy!

Of course there are signs.

One is usually draped around the neck of said future perpetrator..........it reads........"I'm a crazy fuk and I shoot people".

Naturally, the authorities will immediately arrest said person and hold them indefinitely, without any charges being filed, because everyone knows that the sign worn by the crazy fuk is true and he will eventually walk into a school and start shooting people.

Well I guess there is no law against being weird, so you can't really nip this problem in the bud so to speak.

I blame a lot of it on "our" news system and TV Think about it this is an "copycat" type thing and the reason I say there is much to blame not all of it however a good deal on the News system is how they sensationalize the bad things and a major amount of the news is negative that along with the hugh amount of violent programming in the movies and on TV we see that you must realize that a person that is in the 30s (like me) that is the major thing we have seen on TV and in the Movies for almost our entire life has been violent programming. By no means am I defending this *!#%$##e however I am saying people are becoming less sensitive to crazzy acts since it is the "norm" in movies and in Kids shows along with what many say is the most depressing time of the year for many. So theses off balance persons just snap. You can guard the schools better but thats just a "patch" for the real problem.

Sadly enough its not new, the link below denotes a school bombing that is less then five miles from my house. Nutz are Nutz its that simple.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bauerle/disaster.htm

Best I can gather this guy had no connection to the Amish but chose this school cuz it was more secluded and less likely to have security.

Some whacked out people running around and it appears their number is growing. :(

at least the killers usually commit suicide...we don't have to waste money prosecuting them.

My wife, who is 50 years ahead of her time (she says, because she is an Aquarian) had a 2-word response to why people are doing these horrific acts: day care.

Now I wonder how many of these whack-jobs were once day care kids who never established parental bonding early in childhood? Just a thought.

I wonder what school will be targeted tomorrow....it seems like it's a daily event.

Rutgers.

I wouldn't even joke around like that....I bet if one were to happen there just by coincidence, the FBI would be knocking on your door within minutes.

The FBI doesn't knock on doors anymore.........didn't you hear?

You little wise-ass :D

while reading the story I noticed a pic of these Amish people....they sure look weird. :D

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...2p.hmedium.jpg

by the way, the gunman went all out...check out all the weapons he had

Miller said Roberts was apparently preparing for a long siege, arming himself with a 9mm semiautomatic pistol, a 12-gauge shotgun and a rifle, along with a bag of about 600 rounds of ammunition, two cans of smokeless powder, two knives and a stun gun on his belt. He also had rolls of tape, various tools and a change of clothes.

:rolleyes:

What does the FBI think of bump keys and bullet proof vests?

Here is a good response as to what is happening to our society...this was written by a teacher. Here are more letters:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15109669/

Could be true when taken to extremes. I've heard now and then that daycare helps to establish social skills early on. I think it would depend a lot on whether or not the kids were getting much attention after day care and how early it starts.

All in all though, I agree -- too much of it -- parents too busy.

The few Amish I've run across were pretty cool -- very strong and honest.

Watch the movie "Witness" for a small taste of Amish life. I'm sure it's far from a completely accurate picture but it's a start.

We're gonna get you educated yet. :scholar:

Are they illegal?

Says he with the Reeboks custom designed to match his tennis racket.;)

I give you credit for this come back, it actually made me laugh. :D :cool:

Pete: What do you think is causing this to happen? A few years back I thought it was pretty sad to see parents sitting with their children at the bus stops in the morning...my heart goes out to all the parents who have to think about their children's safety on a daily basis.

No Metro Sexuals there!

I read your post, Kamil, and I can't say I'm surprised by this inane observation. I wasn't going to bother responding. Then I read the details of just what this guy did. They way he lined up 11 Amish girls, ranging in age from 6 to 12, tied their hands behind their backs, and shot them execution-style in the back of the head. The last I read, 5 of them are dead now. The others are in critical condition. One of the victims apparently died in the arms of the police officer who pulled her from the schoolhouse. And after reading that, I just couldn't let this one pass.

I truly and honestly hope for your sake that you just make these kinds of posts because they attract attention and in some way provide you with a sense of validation. Because the alternative is that you are entirely without compassion and are fully and completley without emotion. A person like that would have nothing of value to offer the world in any way, shape or form. A person like that would be a complete waste of the potential that their parents nurtured. It is truly sickening.

Is there not some sort of forum where you can share your infantile observations with people of like minds? Where you and other emotionally bereft people can talk about how different the Amish look, and how "cool" it was that this man loaded up for Armageddon. Where you can make racist observations about Muslims and Asian women and anyone else that doesn't look, talk or act exactly like you do Your presence here cheapens us all. I wish you would either grow up or just go away.

jlomon...

My sentiments exactly!
sheesh...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I am not Amish, but I got tears in my eyes when I saw the grief in the faces that were in the picture and read the the denigrating comment about the Amish being "wierd". Talk about kicking someone when they are down. This isn't right and I still don't know why someone who doesn't own a Mercedes is allowed to make racially charged comments here. Oh well, I guess it keeps the post count up and that brings in more ad dollars.

This statement is so absurd and irrelevant, I am just too astounded to even argue about it right now....

Mike

The Amish are not a "race"....

But that's just nitpicking... Sorry, it's in my nature. ;)

I do agree with your sentiments, though... That comment is FAR from being the first time that Kamil has demonstrated his immaturity and shallowness.

However, as juvenile as his commentary may be, I don't support censorship. So in my opinion he should be allowed to continue to post such things, and if he makes a fool of himself in the process... so be it.

Mike

I see your point, and I stand corrected about the Amish not being a "race". In the great scheme of things, censorship is a bad thing, and I'll leave it at that.

"Ignore".

Thanks,
C.

Since you all asked so nicely, I think I'll do that. Thanks for the reminder. ;)

We are not here to offer the "world" some kind of "value”, we are here because of a biological event (reproduction) and we live this short life any way, shape, or form we want. If that chosen path includes not having compassion for strangers who are you to say that is right or not?
I don't hear you expressing the same sentiment about the hundreds of thousand of Iraqis the US government wiped out, but of course they are just collateral damage.
He has the right to express his opinion about different people, different cultures, hell, he even has the right to be "racist' if he wants to. Your right is to convey your differing view, but none of you has the right to say that he cannot state his opinion. The only person around here that can take away that opportunity (not his right) is the mod.

As to the Amish looking weird, sure they do, it depends on what background you look at them from. Do they have the right to look that way? Sure they do, just as Kamil has the right to express his opinion. You don’t like it though *****. It seems that certain people around here want to take it upon themselves to decide what other people can say. Freedom of speech? Right, of course as long as the opinion jives well with the 50 or 60 somethings, the old farts, the hypocrites who don’t think twice to make racial insult about Asians or Muslims or Mexicans or Native Indians because driving some old clunker of a Benz, worth a few bucks, somehow gives them special privilege when it comes to offering opinions or making comments.

As to the guy amassing an arsenal, it is clearly as much a fault of his diseased mind as it is the fault of the gun lobby, the sick infatuation that a lot of people seem to have with guns. It is exceedingly difficult to commit mass murder with a kitchen knife. So keep producing those hand guns, those assault rifles and keep making coffins, you will need them for some time to come.
Young people are desensitized to violence, there is not much else on primetime television these days. Kamil is the product of a TV generation, he was brought up in schools with liberal educational values, if you don't like the result don't blame him, blame your schoolboards and lawmakers for taking away teachers' and parents' right to discipline students.

The media, led by cetain groups, is as much at fault here. There is no news like bad news. If it bleeds it leads, etc.

As to some of the Amish, here is an article that you may have missed.
Read the article below, it is a long one but well worth the read. Somehow fearing god doesn’t curtail the sexual appetite in certain circles. Catholic priests anyone?


Good, god-fearing people they must be, they are religious and devoted after all.

http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.msp

“LAST MARCH, A DETECTIVE IN WISCONSIN phoned trooper Janice Wilson to tell her about statements that Mary and her family had made about rampant incest in the Amish community in which they grew up. That community is in New Wilmington, Pa., near where Wilson works. When she started investigating, she was stunned to hear reports of extensive sexual abuse, and of births resulting from incest.”

”Amish insiders say the problem is so common that a bishop in the area has preached against it. Johnny Byler said that, growing up in Lawrence County, he thought it was normal to have sex with his sister. "Other kids would talk about it," Johnny said. When I asked Mary's cousin, David Wengerd, whether he had molested his sister in addition to Mary, as Mary has charged, he responded, "I'd rather not answer."

“When Anna turned 11, she told me, her 19-year-old brother began molesting her, stopping just short of intercourse. When he moved away, another 17-year-old brother started raping her. (The court documents involving Anna's family are sealed.) Anna didn't try to stop her brothers at first. "You don't tell your brothers, who are so much older than you, No," she said. But when she got her period at 13 and realized she could have a baby, she started fighting back. "He would make sure he put a lot of pressure on my top so I couldn't breathe," she said of the younger brother.”

“When a social worker visited Anna's home, Anna told her about the sexual abuse. She also reported that her parents were moving the family to Pennsylvania. Laurie Roberts, one of the social workers on Anna's case in Ohio, said she was taught in training that sexual abuse among the Amish is pervasive, and seldom reported. (The problem is significant enough that the counties near Knox publish a pamphlet to educate the Amish about sexual abuse.) Yet the county left Anna in her home. "Oh Gosh, I wish I could get it in those C.S. people that my parents will absolutely kill me now," Anna wrote at the time to a cousin who had left the Amish. The social workers "say you'll have to be hurt by them before we'll do anything about it," she continued.”

Can you spare some compassion for Mary and Anna?


Alex

I truly do wish you guys can see the grins on my face when I post here. I meant no harm with my AMISH post. Most of you guys are very very serious people on here, most of the time I try to bring in some type of humor. It's not like I meant it, what the heck do I care what the AMISH look like anyway? It was supposed to be a joke...I was laughing my butt off as I was posting that.

Now about being insensitive. Let me tell ya something about that and it's a little off topic. Anyway, I'm 24 years old and I got carded, yet again, when going to see a rated R movie about two months ago. I LOOK REALLY REALLY YOUNG FOR MY AGE. My professors usually think that I was moved up in high school, especially when I get my As in class. Moral of my story? I try not to worry about daily events that go on in this world...if I worried too much then I would probably lose my hair and age rather quickly. Seriously though, if you sit in your house and dwell upon the fact that this world is evil then you are doomed to be miserable. Be happy and enjoy life. If any of you ever get a chance to read EPICURUS (341-270BC) make sure to read his very short work called LETTER TO A FRIEND. In other words, he says that in order to gain full happiness in life you basically let go of reality. You ever notice how happy some mentally challenged people are??? (I'm not saying I'm mental though lol)

Have a good night guys....

Kamil, a thread about the execution of children has no room for humor of any kind.

When you have children you will understand.

That is a transformation I would love to witness.

B

Yes, Kamil IS a product of our "liberal educational values", and I DON'T like the results. But ultimately everyone is responsible for their OWN words and actions... Including Kamil.

I DO lay a lot of blame for these kinds of tragedies on the school boards and lawmakers who are legislatively chipping away at our ability to discipline kids.

Interestingly, those tend to be the same folks that want to take away the right to bear arms as well... which judging from your ridiculous "gun lobby" comment, is an agenda you seem to support.

Hmm....

Now which is it?.... Do you support the morons who are deconstructing our rights?.... Or do you not?...

:rolleyes:

Mike