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LaRondo 06-08-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1530677)
Im changing your nickname from...........LaGuido Pharmacita ...to...

Little Mustache............Dude.... I cant help it....I crack myself up!..;)

Knock yourself out, just be aware of your insults ... which I don't think you are ... You're using the 'N-word' quite freely, as far as I'm concerned.

In fact I just thought today, you could teach me about hund guns, but unfortunately I have made a descision long time ago ... stay away from Racist Individuals ... and I'll stick to it.

Matt SD300 06-08-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo (Post 1530689)
Knock yourself out, just be aware of your insults ... which I don't think you are ... You're using the 'N-word' quite freely, as far as I'm concerned.

In fact I just thought today, you could teach me about hund guns, but unfortunately I have made a descision long time ago ... stay away from Racist Individuals ... and I'll stick to it.

Relax.....take a deep breath..;).......Is it not you?......that is so anti Israel???.........:confused:

Israel & Jews..... go hand and hand.....They are one and the same....;)

As for Nazi..........I have never heard it called the N word before.....To Americans....That term means something much different......You can call me Cracker SD300...;) I was born here ..USA!!....with 75% German/25% English
Blood....I'm as White as White gets!!.........Yep....Cracker fits!!....:D

Hey....If you want to go shootin.....come on down....Then I'll treat you to a Steak & King Crab dinner....prepared and served in my home!!...:D

nate300d 06-08-2007 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel (Post 1528188)
Whadda think -- any chance of getting anywhere or won't because of lack of $$?

Ignore his or any candidates views....I am so sickened by how the media spins candidates by how much money they have. If that is the case then the offices of our country are purchased, not elected.

LaRondo 06-09-2007 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1530707)
Relax.....take a deep breath..;).......Is it not you?......that is so anti Israel???.........:confused:

I am 'Anti-Genocide'. Period.

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1530707)
Israel & Jews..... go hand and hand.....They are one and the same....;)

They got "their" land ... can they handle it?

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1530707)
As for Nazi..........I have never heard it called the N word before.....To Americans....That term means something much different......

Well, unfortunately there are more then just one 'N-word'

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300 (Post 1530707)
....If you want to go shootin.....come on down....Then I'll treat you to a Steak & King Crab dinner....prepared and served in my home!!...:D

I appreciate your hospitality, just for the record: I am a Pacifist by conviction.

LaRondo 06-09-2007 01:03 AM

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Here is the LA Times take on Fred...

Will Fred Thompson's racist role have political repercussions?

By Tina Daunt, Times Staff Writer
May 4, 2007

Ronald Reagan became president even though he worked with chimps in B movies.

Arnold Schwarzenegger played a murderous robot, and that didn't keep him from becoming governor.

So can "Law & Order" actor and former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) become the first presidential candidate with this credit? Thompson played a white supremacist, spewing anti-Semitic comments and fondling an autographed copy of "Mein Kampf" on a television drama 19 years ago.

His colleagues say that he was just an actor putting everything he had into playing the role of a charismatic racist, named Knox Pooley, in three episodes of CBS' hit show "Wiseguy" in 1988. "Do you call Tom Cruise a killer because he played one in a movie?" asked show creator and writer Stephen J. Cannell.

But in the age of YouTube, this performance could raise an intriguing political question: How does a performer eyeing a presidential run deal with a video history that can be downloaded, taken out of context, chopped into embarrassing pieces and then distributed endlessly though cyberspace? Some conservative political blogs are already considering the problem.

"Not only do politicians have to worry about getting comfortable with a crowd and saying something that might be caught on tape," said USC professor Leo Braudy, a pop culture expert, who has written extensively about film. "Now actors who have political aspirations will have to go through every single line of every part they played to make sure there's nothing they need to explain or apologize for."

The role is not something Thompson, who is in Orange County for a speech today, has talked a lot about in recent years. (His spokesman did not respond to several requests for comment this week.) In an appearance before the American Bakers Assn. in Phoenix last year, Thompson mentioned that he had a part on "Wiseguy," but he did not go into details. He summed up his acting career this way: "I played a CIA director, FBI director, an FBI agent, a senator, an admiral, a White House chief of staff, corporate execs and myself twice," Thompson said in the speech. "Some might say I was playing myself on each of these occasions. In each of these roles it seemed as if I had either known the guy I was playing or someone like him.

"So instead of studying admirals or generals, etc., I envisioned that I, Fred Thompson, had become an admiral or general and played myself…. The range was narrow, but I was establishing myself as the character actor for authority figures."

The idea that the "Wiseguy" role could be used against Thompson upsets Cannell.

"He was an actor hired to play a part," Cannell said. "These are not his personal views. He doesn't believe any of that, nor do I. If this is all they can find to say about him, then they've hit a new low."

It takes only a few minutes to find the old "Wiseguy" series on Amazon Unbox. For $1.99, you can watch Thompson's first episode, "School of Hard Knox," where the actor asks a crowd at a rally whom they blame for their economic woes.

"You've asked yourself that same question, haven't you?" he says, standing in front of a banner decorated with a cross resembling the emblem of the racist Christian Identity movement. "When you've lost that job on the construction site or the loading dock, a job you've had for 20 years to someone who can't speak the language but who is willing to work for $2.50 an hour?"

He gets the crowd chanting: "Who's to blame? Who's to blame?"

"Who are these enemies?" he asks the crowd. "Some folks say it's the Jews. In fact, if I had a quarter for every time I heard that, I would be 10 bucks shy of being Jewish myself."

The scene continues. Thompson's character says: "The fact remains that it would be easy to point our finger at the bankers and the financiers, Jewish or not, for the fact that our great nation can't compete in the market place with the Asiatics. And it would be easy to blame the liberal leftist, Jewish or not, for sacrificing our working people on the altar of economic Bolshevism."

He tells the crowd that they have only themselves to blame. "We have been complacent, because we have been gullible, and we have been naive, we have allowed them to exercise their genetic need to dominate a Christian world. So don't blame the Jews for doing it. Blame it on yourselves for letting them."

He adds: "Open your mind and open up your hearts and open up your wallets and accept your birthright to a land of pure blood, pure spirit, pure belief and our divinely ordered superiority as a people."

Later in the episode, a follower gives Thompson's character a suitcase full of money and a copy of "Mein Kampf" signed by Hitler. The actor appears deeply touched.

"Only you would have the sensitivity to know what this means to me," he tells his supporter.

Some conservative websites are already discussing how a potential Thompson campaign may have to deal with these scenes. People who work out their politics on the Internet understand how potentially troublesome things like this can be. Like pebbles in a pond, you can't know where the ripples are going to stop — or what the gullible or the mean-spirited may make of them.

One website called Patterico's Pontifications asked the question recently: "How will they trash Fred Thompson?" Several respondents immediately mentioned the "Wiseguy" performance.

Marty Kaplan, who directs USC's Norman Lear Center for the Study of Entertainment, thinks that "candidates' video trails have always been a potential liability, or asset. The difference YouTube makes is that the networks, and the paid media campaigns, are no longer the gatekeepers of what clips get distributed."

That's exactly why there's so much potential for partisan mischief in Thompson's "Wiseguy" role. In some ways, Thompson is too good an actor and looks too convincing in the part — a problem Schwarzenegger never had.

If Thompson's old TV roles do play a part in his presidential campaign, then the long relationship between Hollywood and politics will have entered a new era — an actor's dream and a candidate's nightmare — a world where nothing you ever said is forgotten.

cmac2012 06-09-2007 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1530387)
I'm unsurprised you don't see the symmetry.

I'm just a simple sort, far below the ivory tower level.

cmac2012 06-09-2007 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1530662)
Just like they said about Reagan.

Classic.

Reagan is vastly, vastly over-rated. The end of the cold war? Hardly. Brief recess and his acolyte Dubberstein is about to rekindle it. And if not for the miraculous arrival of Gorbachev, never would have happened to the degree that it did.

The guy saddled us with the impossible SDI dream, which we lavish, squander rather, large funds on to this day.

Sold weapons to Iran AND Iraq? Dude was a poser. Just like Thompson.

LaRondo 06-09-2007 01:12 AM

Van Morrison - Ivory Tower

[Chorus:]
When you come down
From your Ivory Tower
You will see how it really must be
To be like me to see like me
To feel like me

Take a look at me I'm a poor man's son
I never did no harm to no one
You've got money in the bank
And I don't have none

When you come down etc etc....

[Bridge:]
You can see through
Your rose coloured glasses
In a world that seems
like glamour to you
You've got opinions and judgements about
All kind of things
That you don't know anything about

Don't you know the price that I have to pay
Just to do everything I have to do
Do you think that there's nothing to it
You should try it sometime

[Chorus]

cmac2012 06-09-2007 01:34 AM

Don't think I heard that one. I'll have to look for it.

LaRondo 06-09-2007 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1530918)
Don't think I heard that one. I'll have to look for it.

You better, it's a fabulous song, one of his best, for my taste. It really swings away.
I was trying to find a url that plays the song ...

It's on here, original release:

No Guru, No Method, No Teacher


http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/...PL._AA240_.jpg

Botnst 06-09-2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1530892)
Reagan is vastly, vastly over-rated. The end of the cold war? Hardly. Brief recess and his acolyte Dubberstein is about to rekindle it. And if not for the miraculous arrival of Gorbachev, never would have happened to the degree that it did.

The guy saddled us with the impossible SDI dream, which we lavish, squander rather, large funds on to this day.

Sold weapons to Iran AND Iraq? Dude was a poser. Just like Thompson.

Whatever one thinks or doesn't think of Reagan, he's the most popular president since Roosevelt. There are plenty of good reasons that thoughtful people decry Roosevelt, too. But guess what? Popularity is not often based on rational analysis. Instead, most people go by looks or demeanor -- in the minds of the majority, superficiality triumphs over rationality.

I think that's what is propelling Thompson. He acts all serious and adult-like to people with child-like minds. the chances of me voting for Thompson approach the chances of me voting for Romney or Dodd or Kucinich or Obama or any of those other clown faces. I'd rather stay home and watch Law and Order on TV than vote for any of the clown crew put forward by the Demopublicans.

I amuses me however, to point-out the irony of people using the same words to describe Thompson that they once used to describe a man who turned-out to be one of the most popular presidents in American history.

B

t walgamuth 06-09-2007 09:36 AM

fred thompson?

oh my yes.....we need another actor in politics!

actually schwartzenagger (SP?) is showing some legs. he has moved beyond a character sketch of a politician to one who is thinking and responding to the mood of his country (california, which is like its own little country...not so little actually).

i think he has ambition beyond where he is, if he can get the law about non natives holding the presidency changed.

he certainly has found more staying power than the wrestler!

tom w

cmac2012 06-10-2007 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1531034)
Whatever one thinks or doesn't think of Reagan, he's the most popular president since Roosevelt. There are plenty of good reasons that thoughtful people decry Roosevelt, too. But guess what? Popularity is not often based on rational analysis. Instead, most people go by looks or demeanor -- in the minds of the majority, superficiality triumphs over rationality.

I think that's what is propelling Thompson. He acts all serious and adult-like to people with child-like minds. the chances of me voting for Thompson approach the chances of me voting for Romney or Dodd or Kucinich or Obama or any of those other clown faces. I'd rather stay home and watch Law and Order on TV than vote for any of the clown crew put forward by the Demopublicans.

I amuses me however, to point-out the irony of people using the same words to describe Thompson that they once used to describe a man who turned-out to be one of the most popular presidents in American history.

Well put. It's not just the actor thing that makes me wary of Thompson. Reagan was right on some things, welfare excesses for example.

I think his main appeal was that he clicked on a visceral level with a lot of people -- he struck the right manly man poses quite well. As Thompson does.

cmac2012 06-10-2007 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1531045)
fred thompson?

oh my yes.....we need another actor in politics!

actually schwartzenagger (SP?) is showing some legs. he has moved beyond a character sketch of a politician to one who is thinking and responding to the mood of his country (california, which is like its own little country...not so little actually).

i think he has ambition beyond where he is, if he can get the law about non natives holding the presidency changed.

he certainly has found more staying power than the wrestler!

tom w

Ahnold is proving to be no dummy. He could probably win if the law were changed.

When he was a child in school his teacher asked the class, "Which German composer would you be, if you had the chance: Beethovem, Handel, or Brahms?

Little Ahnold stood up and said, "I'll be Bach."

t walgamuth 06-10-2007 05:47 AM

it was hard not to like the always affable reagan.

i found him to be an extremely cynical pol though.

i remember reading that an aid told him after a speech once that the statistics he quoted were wrong. he just said he liked them and was going to keep using them.

tom w


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