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dannym 01-15-2008 09:27 AM

Another reason not to shop at Walmart
 
Buyer beware!
http://www.lamanaphotography.com/walmart2.htm

Verified here:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/flipflop.asp

I knew there was s reason I won't shop there!

Danny

Carleton Hughes 01-15-2008 09:34 AM

Probably made from our discarded medical waste and those red "sharps bins"one sees in the Doctor's office........................damn clever,those Asiatics.

Dee8go 01-15-2008 09:39 AM

From China, no doubt. I think the Chinese are trying to kill us all and they're using Walmart as their agents . . . .

Mistress 01-15-2008 10:23 AM

chemical reaction to neoprine. Then again they were made in China from tainted dog food and discarded Mattel toys.

Hatterasguy 01-15-2008 12:58 PM

Well I never darken the door at Walmart, this just proves that its a good policy.

ForcedInduction 01-15-2008 02:57 PM

10 people out of 7 MILLION had an allergic reaction to the plastic. Yeah, real good reason to avoid Wal-Mart. :rolleyes:

Dee8go 01-15-2008 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1733238)
10 people out of 7 MILLION had an allergic reaction to the plastic. Yeah, real good reason to avoid Wal-Mart. :rolleyes:

Well, it's good enough for ME. I just don't like what Walmart represents. If you like it, you're welcome to go ahead and patronnize the evil empire if you want. . . .

ForcedInduction 01-15-2008 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dee8go (Post 1733243)
If you like it, you're welcome to go ahead and patronize the evil empire if you want. . . .

I just spent $195 there last night. :thumbsup:

Dee8go 01-15-2008 03:25 PM

good for you . . . . you Chinese sympathizer, you.

Brian Carlton 01-15-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dee8go (Post 1733276)
good for you . . . . you Chinese sympathizer, you.

Why would I buy a bunch of toiletries at Walgreens and suffer with lousy service and high prices when I can get the same service, and the same products at Wal-Mart for lower prices?

Why would I buy Rotella at Pep Boys when the same container is $3.00 less at Wal-Mart? Both companies employ the same 'tards.

.........because they buy goods in China??..........

........ahh, did you notice that just about every retailer sources in the third world these days...........???

Dee8go 01-15-2008 04:37 PM

Don't start throwing facts at me, buster. I certainly don't need THOSE in order to form MY opinions . . .

Brian Carlton 01-15-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dee8go (Post 1733340)
Don't start throwing facts at me, buster. I certainly don't need THOSE in order to form MY opinions . . .

........you've got quite a bit of company with that philosophy........;)

DslBnz 01-15-2008 05:57 PM

Well, we the people have the choice NOT to buy from them. If we want them to drown, we simply buy somewhere else. Complain about Walmart? Do something about it! In the meantime, other people will keep spending and supporting the collapse of American home-based industry since the prices are cheap.

I try to avoid Walmart, and ANY Chinese goods whenever possible. I'm sure this is not what Sam would've approved for the future of his company.

DslBnz 01-15-2008 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1733296)

........ahh, did you notice that just about every retailer sources in the third world these days...........???

That's the fr'ickin problem, *#(*&!:mad:

Brian Carlton 01-15-2008 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DslBnz (Post 1733422)

I try to avoid Walmart, and ANY Chinese goods whenever possible. I'm sure this is not what Sam would've approved for the future of his company.

What's the deal with Wal-Mart and "Chinese goods"? I don't go to Wal-Mart for their $2.00 flip flops or their $29.00 furniture.

Wal-Mart sells the same shampoo, toothbrushes, dental floss, deodorant, TP, towels, cat litter, motor oil, windshield washer solution, Bondo, wiper blades, sandpaper, Acetone, as everybody else.

You boycott the other retailers for offering these products??

Brian Carlton 01-15-2008 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DslBnz (Post 1733423)
That's the fr'ickin problem, *#(*&!:mad:

Do you seek out American made toilet paper and shampoo?

What about auto parts.........think you can determine where they are sourced?

davestlouis 01-15-2008 06:26 PM

You should see the arguments on garagejournal about USA-made tools and imported tools...egads! I don't necessarily care where items come from, as long as the item I buy is serviceable and does what it is advertised to do. Let's not forget how people used to snicker about Japanese junk?! The Koreans are making fine electronics and cars now, can the Chinese be far behind?

I happen to like Snap-On tools and will spend a fortune for US made tools. I could give a hoot where flip flops come from, but I'd rather spend $7 for a pair for my wife that the dogs will eat anyway, than $50 for a fancy pair that the dogs will chew on.

Hatterasguy 01-15-2008 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 1733238)
10 people out of 7 MILLION had an allergic reaction to the plastic. Yeah, real good reason to avoid Wal-Mart. :rolleyes:

I dislike the store and its environment, its very large, full of annoying people, and sells products of poor quality. I support retailers I like. I prefer to purchase things from small local places, even if it costs more.

I do buy oil from Walmart, if I wasn't broke I'd just get it at the dealer to avoid them totaly. I'd happly pay an extra $5 a gallon to avoid going to Walmart.

truckinik 01-15-2008 10:06 PM

I don't think that I could ever hold Walmart responsible in any way shape or form, for the sandals causing that infection/rash, whatever it is if I were in this person's shoes(Punn intended).

All they do, is retail them. Walmart does not manufacture them.

This individual, could have just as easily purchased this exact same product at Target, Sears, JC Penny, Or any one of a million other retailers, and had the exact same problem.

I'm no doctor, but to me, this looks like some sort of personal allergic reaction or something. Possibly a reaction to the material itself.

Walmart is not in any way responsible in even the slightest way, in my oppinion. I suppose we are all entitled to our oppinion though.


Nick

Brian Carlton 01-15-2008 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1733592)
I dislike the store and its environment, its very large, full of annoying people, and sells products of poor quality.

I buy toiletries and various auto supplies there.

So, tell me, where do you buy your toilet paper, toothpaste, soap, and other such articles? Somehow, I'll bet that it's not at a local mom and pop store. And, I'll also bet that you buy the same exact products that Wal-Mart sells.

How about windshield washer fluid........oil.......transmission fluid? Think the McParts provides a higher class of people and a better "environment"? You're buying commodities..........not going out to dinner..........:rolleyes:

You've got no argument..............

raslaje 01-15-2008 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1733428)
Do you seek out American made toilet paper and shampoo?

Just checked. Scott's toilet paper not made in China. That comes from Mexico.

Today I bought an ACE 1 1/2 inch J bend slip joint pipe with both nuts and plastic washers for the kitchen sink. I was parked right next to Home Depot today while food shopping but it didn't even occur to me to go inside. Instead I drove to the local hardware store. Paid $9.50 with tax. It is run by an elderly gent and a younger couple. One of them is usually talking to a customer even if the sale is already made. Then one of the others will appear and wait on me. A friendly and relaxed atmosphere. I started going there when the big box stores didn't have the oddball flourescent light I needed. Just a straight tube but 28 inch or so I forget. The hardware store had a spot for them but was out, so ordered it for me.
So now I got curious to check the ACE package to see where the pipe is made and got surprised: Manufactured in USA

Hatterasguy 01-16-2008 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1733640)
I buy toiletries and various auto supplies there.

So, tell me, where do you buy your toilet paper, toothpaste, soap, and other such articles? Somehow, I'll bet that it's not at a local mom and pop store. And, I'll also bet that you buy the same exact products that Wal-Mart sells.

How about windshield washer fluid........oil.......transmission fluid? Think the McParts provides a higher class of people and a better "environment"? You're buying commodities..........not going out to dinner..........:rolleyes:

You've got no argument..............


Why actualy their is an excellent grocery store down the street that has all the toiletries you can want. They also have an excellent selection in regards to food, pretty much everything Stop and Shop has. I hate Stop and Shop and don't go their very often either. Pricing is slightly less than S&S so I'm saving a bit as well. As for fluids like ATF and oil, and waxes thats split between Autozoo or Carquest. Autozoo is just as bad as Walmart but I can handle it because its quick in and out. Carquest is very pleasent, I know the counter guy and we talk about real estate or cars as he rings me out. Excellent service.

I hate Walmart and I don't shop their because I hate it. I also refuse to use those self check out things. I self check out online only.

Brian Carlton 01-16-2008 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1733729)
Why actualy their is an excellent grocery store down the street that has all the toiletries you can want. They also have an excellent selection in regards to food, pretty much everything Stop and Shop has. I hate Stop and Shop and don't go their very often either. Pricing is slightly less than S&S so I'm saving a bit as well. As for fluids like ATF and oil, and waxes thats split between Autozoo or Carquest. Autozoo is just as bad as Walmart but I can handle it because its quick in and out. Carquest is very pleasent, I know the counter guy and we talk about real estate or cars as he rings me out. Excellent service.

I hate Walmart and I don't shop their because I hate it. I also refuse to use those self check out things. I self check out online only.

That mom and pop grocery store is a noted exception. They don't exist here anymore.

The point is the fact that Stop and Shop or Autozoo or Pep Boys hire the same 'tards as Wal-Mart and carry the same products as Wal-Mart. There really is no defining difference between them. Your argument against Wal-Mart is only valid for the mom and pop shop.

DslBnz 01-16-2008 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1733428)
Do you seek out American made toilet paper and shampoo?

What about auto parts.........think you can determine where they are sourced?

That's a little bit of an exaggeration on the theme I was preaching. Maybe I was being unclear. I'm not saying EVERYTHING has to be completely Yankee-Doodle.

My shampoo is German and I only use American TP.;)

As far as auto parts go....the same applies. European stuff only. Just stay away from any third-world manufactured products even just for the consideration of the conditions they were manufactured under.

Hatterasguy 01-16-2008 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1733735)
That mom and pop grocery store is a noted exception. They don't exist here anymore.

The point is the fact that Stop and Shop or Autozoo or Pep Boys hire the same 'tards as Wal-Mart and carry the same products as Wal-Mart. There really is no defining difference between them. Your argument against Wal-Mart is only valid for the mom and pop shop.

Well other than wax, rags, and once and a while oil I never darken the door of Autozoo.

Everything else is a mom and pop store. I find that often they are cheaper as well however somtimes you end up paying more, but dealing with normal people=priceless.:D

Amazon.com lets me avoid a lot of the other big box stores, I'm a very patient person I don't mind waiting a week or so for product.

dannym 01-16-2008 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1733735)
That mom and pop grocery store is a noted exception. They don't exist here anymore.

The point is the fact that Stop and Shop or Autozoo or Pep Boys hire the same 'tards as Wal-Mart and carry the same products as Wal-Mart. There really is no defining difference between them. Your argument against Wal-Mart is only valid for the mom and pop shop.

The question that should be asked is WHY don't they exist anymore?
Walmart is a huge example of this problem. In the same way the Japanese flooded the market with underpriced cars and other junk. That is until Reagan stopped it.
Eckerds and Walgreens are also part of the problem. Senator Eckerd and the pharmacutical companies created laws that favored large retail stores and drove up prices. They did that out of greed not fro the benefit of the average American.
This country has been raped and pillaged for way too long. The large retailers are the main problem.

Danny

Carleton Hughes 01-16-2008 09:05 AM

The link below is worth posting again as it reveals how Wal-Mart dictates a manufacturer's source and quality.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

Mistress 01-16-2008 10:17 AM

I prefer to buy American to keep Americans working....

Brian Carlton 01-16-2008 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress (Post 1733973)
I prefer to buy American to keep Americans working....

..........naturally, you drive an "American" car.........correct?

dannym 01-16-2008 11:03 AM

Your not comparing apples to apples.
Mercedes did not flood the american automobile market with underpriced inferior quality products intent on driving the American auto industry out of business.

Brian Carlton 01-16-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannym (Post 1734019)
Your not comparing apples to apples.
Mercedes did not flood the american automobile market with underpriced inferior quality products intent on driving the American auto industry out of business.

I'm not comparing anything. Folks who drive M/B's and then claim to "buy American" are a bit hypocritical.........that's all.

And, I ask again..........where's the flood of shampoo, toilet paper, motor oil, cat litter, office supplies, hardware and chemicals that are of inferior quality? It's exactly the same products that you purchase in any other store?

Sure, if you go to Wal-Mart to buy their furniture and their bicycles, then you get what you pay for. Does anybody on this forum do that?

Carleton Hughes 01-16-2008 11:48 AM

Well, let's begin with their lack of ethics in dealing with suppliers,not to mention their fascistic employee policy,all of which is quite adequately documented and simply designed to give them a fat balance sheet,quality and employee rights be damned.

Now,as a landlord to landlord...have you any illegal accessory apts?or additions to the footprint of the house not filed with the building dept?In working on your houses did you do the work yourself or hire licensed contractors who follow the current State and County guidelines?
Are your houses inspected by the Town once a year as they are in Huntington?

Things like this are kinda a slippery slope,mind,I'm not judging as most folks including yours truly will take shortcuts to save a buck but there you are.

Brian Carlton 01-16-2008 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes (Post 1734064)
Well, let's begin with their lack of ethics in dealing with suppliers,not to mention their fascistic employee policy,all of which is quite adequately documented and simply designed to give them a fat balance sheet,quality and employee rights be damned.

Now,as a landlord to landlord...have you any illegal accessory apts?or additions to the footprint of the house not filed with the building dept?In working on your houses did you do the work yourself or hire licensed contractors who follow the current State and County guidelines?
Are your houses inspected by the Town once a year as they are in Huntington?

Things like this are kinda a slippery slope,mind,I'm not judging as most folks including yours truly will take shortcuts to save a buck but there you are.

Let's see.........lack of "ethics" when dealing with suppliers? I'm no expert on Wal-Mart, but, from what I see, they drive a hard bargain with all suppliers. Lower your prices or you're out. The supplier has a choice.........he can walk anytime he wants. See the article on Snapper above. Many have done the same thing. They can only screw a supplier if the supplier allows it.

Their employee policies, as far as I'm aware, include significant use of part time help to minimize their burden. Is this fascistic? Again, the help has a choice. Don't want to work for Wal-Mart..........Target is right down the street. If the company was that egregious.........they'd have no employees.

Yep, it is a slippery slope.........kind of like the pot calling the kettle black........Wal-Mart is just huge and successful, and, relatively speaking, you and I are not.

Note that I don't wish to continue to defend Wal-Mart........I really don't like to shop in their stores. But I'll be damned if I'll pay 20% more to shop in Walgreens or PeP-Boys. You really think that these outfits are much better? They may not be as aggressive, but they employ the exact same retards as Walmart.

I got to Wal-Mart once every six months and buy $100. worth of goods. I wouldn't want to return to the store more frequently.

truckinik 01-16-2008 09:43 PM

Long story short. If I'm looking for a certain product, or name brand , I just go to the nearest, most convenient retailer I know has it. I don't care if it's at Walmart, Stop&Shop, Pepboys, Auto-Zoo, Carquest, Napa, Whatever. If I need auto parts I call Carquest or Napa first. If they don't have what i need in stock, I call Auto-Zoo, or one of the others. If they don't have it in stock I get it, or order it from either them, or the dealer. End of day comes, and no matter what I want, or who I buy it from, I either have, or have ordered the item. Just happens to be that Walmart pretty much kicks everyone else's butt for most home goods, entertainments goods, and even food items a lot of time. They also ALWAYS beat the other's prices. It's too bad they don't have a real auto parts retail section. Instead of just the small generic section they have.

Point is, I like most other Americans, could really give a $#IT less who sells it to me.


Nick

John Doe 01-16-2008 10:37 PM

An employee discount is a different story altogether.

Brian Carlton 01-16-2008 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1734752)
An employee discount is a different story altogether.

...........LMAO............;)

aklim 01-17-2008 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DslBnz (Post 1733422)
Well, we the people have the choice NOT to buy from them. If we want them to drown, we simply buy somewhere else. Complain about Walmart? Do something about it! In the meantime, other people will keep spending and supporting the collapse of American home-based industry since the prices are cheap.

I try to avoid Walmart, and ANY Chinese goods whenever possible. I'm sure this is not what Sam would've approved for the future of his company.

And they have chosen to buy them. The home based industry is all but dead. We just don't want to admit it.

No. You are right. Sam would have run the company into the ground just to prove the point that his company can sell US made goods that nobody wants to buy. :rolleyes:

aklim 01-17-2008 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1733592)
I dislike the store and its environment, its very large, full of annoying people,

We have 2 Wal*Marts in Madison, WI. The East side one is nice. For whatever reason, the west side one seems to be trashy. Why? Who knows.

Carleton Hughes 01-17-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truckinik (Post 1734681)
Long story short. If I'm looking for a certain product, or name brand , I just go to the nearest, most convenient retailer I know has it. I don't care if it's at Walmart, Stop&Shop, Pepboys, Auto-Zoo, Carquest, Napa, Whatever. If I need auto parts I call Carquest or Napa first. If they don't have what i need in stock, I call Auto-Zoo, or one of the others. If they don't have it in stock I get it, or order it from either them, or the dealer. End of day comes, and no matter what I want, or who I buy it from, I either have, or have ordered the item. Just happens to be that Walmart pretty much kicks everyone else's butt for most home goods, entertainments goods, and even food items a lot of time. They also ALWAYS beat the other's prices. It's too bad they don't have a real auto parts retail section. Instead of just the small generic section they have.

Point is, I like most other Americans, could really give a $#IT less who sells it to me.


Nick

One would not expect less of you.............

aklim 01-17-2008 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannym (Post 1733901)
The question that should be asked is WHY don't they exist anymore?

Think about it this way. It's centered around the big "C". Convenience. I go to my Super Wal*Mart and I can get most of my shopping done there. So, now I go to 1 or 2 stores instead of 5 or 6. I park there and get my stuff and go home. Or I could park my car, get some stuff, move it to the next place, etc, etc. Why would I want to do that? Home Depot sells more than a small hardware store. Why would I want to have them order the stuff or go to several different stores as opposed to going to HD and being able to build my house out of there? Yes, you may say that HD may not carry certain specialties but how often do you need those special products vs how many times do you need the day-to-day stuff?

Another reason is that the small stores try to go toe-to-toe with Wal*Mart. Stupid idea. You have to go in directions that Wal*Mart cannot go.

aklim 01-17-2008 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes (Post 1733905)
The link below is worth posting again as it reveals how Wal-Mart dictates a manufacturer's source and quality.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapper.html

Ah, but who is the ultimate dictator? The consumer. The consumer told Wal*Mart to sell cheaper stuff and so they did. The consumer demanded and got. Now the consumer is mad.

aklim 01-17-2008 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannym (Post 1734019)
Mercedes did not flood the american automobile market with underpriced inferior quality products intent on driving the American auto industry out of business.

No, the American auto industry did it to itself.

aklim 01-17-2008 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1734037)
Sure, if you go to Wal-Mart to buy their furniture and their bicycles, then you get what you pay for. Does anybody on this forum do that?

Depends on what you are using it for. I bought a cheapie bike for the wife who wanted to try out bikes. Well, that thing is still sitting in the shed after having been ridden a few times. Am I going to buy a $500 bike just to have her use it once or twice and toss it?

aklim 01-17-2008 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes (Post 1734064)
Things like this are kinda a slippery slope,mind,I'm not judging as most folks including yours truly will take shortcuts to save a buck but there you are.

So if you do the act to save a buck, it's ok. Wal*Mart does it and it is a sin.OK

Carleton Hughes 01-17-2008 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1734855)
So if you do the act to save a buck, it's ok. Wal*Mart does it and it is a sin.OK

Yeah,but leastways I don't force my employees to work overtime for the standard salary and cheat them on the "health plan".

Learn,Goddammit,learn......Wal-Mart is an evil,profit-driven entity which only flourishes under the current pro-business maladministration.

But then I'm a wierdo who heats his house with wood and coal,lights it with Aladdin Mantle lamps,drives an electric car to King Kullen and Home Despot and pilots other antiques when not piloting my '98 diesel.I also shoot my own game,generally with guns I've made myself.
So I'm an oddball.Hell,I enjoy it and the few years left to me will be thoroughly enjoyed.......

aklim 01-17-2008 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes (Post 1734879)
Learn,Goddammit,learn......Wal-Mart is an evil,profit-driven entity which only flourishes under the current pro-business maladministration.

Yep, it's EMPEROR Bush's fault again. :rolleyes: So what did it to before 2000? What will it do after 2008? Collapse? Bush is NOT emperor. He cannot create a bill and sign it and make it law. Your congress person has to send it to him. Your congress person can override his veto.

Carleton Hughes 01-17-2008 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1734937)
Yep, it's EMPEROR Bush's fault again. :rolleyes: So what did it to before 2000? What will it do after 2008? Collapse? Bush is NOT emperor. He cannot create a bill and sign it and make it law. Your congress person has to send it to him. Your congress person can override his veto.

Well, in riposte to that I can only quote Brother Brian Carlton's dictum....the average person is a moron.

aklim 01-17-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes (Post 1734941)
Well, in riposte to that I can only quote Brother Brian Carlton's dictum....the average person is a moron.

Then your average person got what he wanted from congress and Wal*Mart. Majority rules and you are not happy. What else do you want? Sears sold the Craftsman tools for years and years. Why did they make the Companion line? Because people wanted the cheaper stuff. Bottom line is Wal*Mart is responding to what the consumer wants. There is NO percentage in hocking wares that nobody will buy.

aklim 01-17-2008 09:35 AM

Oh, before anyone asks the stupid question, let me preempt it by saying "I don't own stocks in Wal*Mart nor am I management there. Just a happy customer."

Palangi 01-17-2008 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes (Post 1734879)
Wal-Mart is an evil,profit-driven entity which only flourishes under the current pro-business maladministration.

Seems like it also flourished pretty well when Hillary was on the board of directors. :rolleyes:


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