Well they came to the conclusion that they wanted us dead in the early 90's, took 9/11 for us to wake up to that.

Of course we want to kill them, thats the point of war.

War is usualy good for the economy. I miss the cold war that was REALLY good for CT.

There are many terrorists but thankfully bullets are cheap and plentiful, and its very cheap to keep their population in check.

The enemy are fundimentalist Islam terrorists or people who support them in any way shape or form. Terrorism is a tactic, and like any other tactic can be defeated. Incading Iraq was a good second step, that drew a lot of them into Iraq so that they can be killed by the military thousands of miles away from home.

Nope.

Never been on the high horse...but thanks for putting me up there. BTW, if you've been reading each post CAREFULLY, you'll find that we've all been in the debate...it's just incredulous that some people keep trying to drag the debate in another direction that has nothing to do with the original subject of the thread...

Huh? I said what I believe and I'm not parroting anyone...unless you're a newbie that has close genetic ties to cmac2012, I've been accused of being a "Hannity" clone and the like. I've had very conservative beliefs long before Hannity ever broke into the broadcasting biz, and I'll have them long after.

Thanks, but I've been doing that long before I ever graduated from high school and I've yet given that ability to anyone else. I still retain my own power-of-attorney...for what's that worth.

Done!

And then some...

Friend-back-at-ya!

BTW: I'd look at changing my avatar to something else...that "meat-wad" meatball thing is becoming you and your comments...it's hard to take what you're trying to say seriously with "Meat-wad's" voice floating in your head...sorta' like a head-cold waiting to break loose after a really deadly-hard sneeze...sorta' gross in a cartoonish way...

Yeah but Meatwad sure stands out!:D

Sure...but that voice is soooo...un-serious...like I said...it sounds like a "loogie" waiting to be launched...

And I just can't get that image out of my skull... :rolleyes:

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I lovez my Meatwad !

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My hope was that the Meatwad avitar, the joker emoticon :joker:
and ending a lot of posts with " Have Fun ! "
Would let people in on my character a little bit.
I know what I type can sound quite serious/stupid.
But I am truly smiling most of the time.

Imagine a voice reader like Steven Hawkings
but it would sound like Meatwad.



Thank you
Have Fun !
RichC

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Your kind of in frylock mode now!:D

http://collectingtokens.files.wordpr...05/frylock.jpg

1. As an online definition is quicker, here's m-w.com:

surrender:

1 a: to yield to the power, control, or possession of another upon compulsion or demand <surrendered the fort> b: to give up completely or agree to forgo especially in favor of another

2 a: to give (oneself) up into the power of another especially as a prisoner b: to give (oneself) over to something (as an influence)

Our leaving will not be at the demand of anyone, other than that which originates domestically from a realization that there is nothing to be gained by continuation, in fact, much to be lost.

We will not be giving ourselves up to the power of another. Sorry man, the mad hatter's rap on word definitions fits you quite well here. The word has all sorts of connotations, one of which I referred to earlier, i.e.: he surrendered the property to the landlord. The Iraqis are much more the landlords of that real estate than us. Trying to change that would entail centuries of slow and steady bloodletting. My sense is that the energy lost will be greater than any energy (petro) gained.

There is enormous charge on the word, as used by Romney and yourself. It implies cowardly defeat, not pragmatic withdrawal, which is the way it will be.

2. The folly of the Shock and Awe line is in thinking that they were going to be stunned in any useful way, as the words themselves imply. Oh yeah, we killed wholesale. Did you see any of the photos of family members 'rending their garments' in grief and anger during that time? I did, and I'm thinking, "oh $h!t, we stepped in it now . . . . "

Those people can be nuts but they're not dummies. The country is awash in ordinance and they quickly realized that the only way to fight us was to go underground, and it's been ugly but effective. The long lost MedMech said he'd do about the same here were we attacked. You can cry "Geneva Convention" all you want, but people tend to want to hold onto what limited sovereignty they have.

3. Sorry man, it's hard to understand your stance any other way. It's something I've seen a lot of. Geo. Washington knew how to put militarism aside, best I can tell, and Ike warned against excessive attachment to it. I've said many times that full time pacifism is lunacy, but military might cannot accomplish everything . . . . and it can go horribly wrong.

4. I don't see the mystery. We have behaved from the git-go as if Iraq was our territory to oversee. Ever heard any of the interviews with Rajiv Chandrasekaran on his book 'Imperial Life in the Emerald City?' Kafka-esque comes to mind. Beyond belief. Reminds one of the inanity/insanity of commie centralized planning. I ought to read that book. The interviews were pretty instructive by themselve. I heard 3 or 4.

It is way, way different in principle.


While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society's pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he's in.

But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him.

A pity you and others are not as quick to see commonality as you are to see an enemy.

Very expressive but lacking in content

I got it: The enemy is still in the field, armed and dangerous when we advance to the rear with great haste with no intention of returning.

Are you so sure we should trust MW to define it in 50 words or less? Maybe it is more complex than that. Maybe we should look into expanding the definition to fit the theory.

Nice dodge. You want surrender to mean what you want it to mean:

HOIST BY HIS OWN PITARD. Better dust off that Lewis Carroll passage and take a closer look.

The enemy. Iraqis are going to be in Iraq for a long time, I'm afraid. Most of the "enemy" in Iraq are our enemy because we made them our enemy, and on foolish grounds.

Thinking that we are going to make some progress there by borrowing massive amounts to continue this boondoggle, particularly compared to the relative pennies spent by those who oppose us, is uhhhh, not well founded.