OK, so I did get it. And that's funny? It was obviously a dramatization. Did you think that AI really waterboarded the guy? Did you notice that they only showed short segments with water being dumped on his face? Or that he wasn't really restrained?Now that's kind of funny.

One of the things I found funny about it, is that at first, I thought Howi had tricked us and it was some S&M vid. Also, it is comical to me that somebody probably thinks the creation of that video constitutes art--what with the dramatic beginning showing just the water flowing down with a black background. Finally, and there is more, I thought it was funny that AI missed the mark and had the wrong effect on me. Maybe Kerry can use it in one of his classes next year.:D

I didn't find the video particularly effective, either. The artsy stuff didn't help.

Fans of NPR's "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me" news quiz show already know that a manager of a sales company used waterboarding of an employee volunteer during a meeting to motivate the sales staff to get more sales.

April 15, 2008
PROVO, Utah — No one really disputes that Chad Hudgens was waterboarded outside a Provo office park last May 29, right before lunch, by his boss.

There is also general agreement that Hudgens volunteered for the “team-building exercise,” that he lay on his back with his head downhill, and that co-workers knelt on either side of him, pinning the young sales rep down while their supervisor poured water from a gallon jug over his nose and mouth.

And it’s widely acknowledged that the supervisor, Joshua Christopherson, then told the assembled sales team, whose numbers had been lagging: “You saw how hard Chad fought for air right there. I want you to go back inside and fight that hard to make sales.”

What’s at issue in the lawsuit Hudgens filed against his former employers -- just as in the ongoing global debate over the CIA’s waterboarding of terrorism suspects -- is the question of intent.

Prosper Inc. maintains that what the supervisor did, while unauthorized, overzealous and misguided, falls far short of torture, and in fact was not nearly as bad as Hudgens makes out in his quest for damages.

“We’re not the mean waterboarding company that people think we are,” said George Brunt, general counsel for the firm, which sells a combination of online and personalized instruction packaged as “coaching” and running $3,000 to $15,000 -- to customers who are solicited by telephone.

The morning Hudgens said he thought he was going to drown, his team was calling on behalf of “Trump University,” pitching real estate instruction to people who had attended a Trump seminar. Prosper is doing well, with 500 employees and clients in 70 countries, senior executives said in an interview.

Hmmm, I wonder if I could .....

Guantanamo: Available For Rental by Other Country

Buried in a Department of Justice report released Tuesday are new allegations about a 2002 arrangement between the United States and China, which allowed Chinese intelligence to visit Guantanamo and interrogate Chinese Uighurs held there.

Whoa. I'm not privvy to first hand info but from what I gather, the Uighurs are about at the top of the 'innocent bystanders who got swept up' category. Also that they are not likely to find favor from the Chinese govt.

Oh, we're the good guys in the world, all right.

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Isin't this how the Natzi camps got started ???

RichC
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That's right -- except the various government agencies reviewing each other's methods, by congressional inquiries, by inspections from other countries and by visits by the ICRC and publication of all the above in the international press.

Aside from that, a perfect example of what you allege.

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Does the dressing of detainees in women's undergarments seem more like a defect in US interrogators than anything else? :rolleyes:

It depends on what you are asking, are they doing it to be perverted or are they doing it to emasculate? If it's to emasculate it works well, we have found that our own prisoners are less prone to violence when wearing pink. On a cultural level it has a profound effect Muslims are proud of their masculinity and go the great lengths (pun) to show it off. One of the Psy Ops tactics is to advertise that insurgents are sterile or had short penis's via loud speaker, it was so arousing (pun) that the men would come out in anger..and then get picked off (not pun).

What, you don't mean different culture view different things differently, do you?

B

Yes, we do it with a veneer of civility. If I was being held 6,000 miles from home in a wire cage for an indeterminate sentence for the crime of being a good body to trade for $4,000 by one of my tribal enemies back home, I would feel most reassured by that fact.

If...

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If we knew everyting there was to know about these camps.

Why are they called secret ???
Why are they not in our country ??
Why does more and more bad stuff keep leaking out ??

Your idea that everyone knows everyting about these camps just
does not hold water at all ...

Go watch Taxi to the dark side !!!
Here is a clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYu4QnZaOd0&feature=related

O wait, you cant watch that movie, it was bought up by the conservative media.
There are enough clips on the net to get the jist of the movie.
Go learn someting.

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RichC
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