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LUVMBDiesels 06-10-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1879595)
but He'd Have To Be On A Constant Suicide Watch So He Doesn't Off Himself. Otoh, If He Takes Them Un People Out, Is It A Loss?


:d

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1879214)
Well, if you put it in quotes, you still don't get it.

Well forgive me for not being familiar with adult diapers. I don't know about you but I don't wear any.

aklim 06-10-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879641)
Well forgive me for not being familiar with adult diapers. I don't know about you but I don't wear any.

Don't have any incontinent people in your family? No nursing homes or hospital people? Never hear of the phrase "depends" being used to make jokes about adult diapers?

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1879346)
You cannot say "It does not work at all", can you? I don't think KSM would agree with that either, would he?

If you get the right person doing the torture and the right person getting the torture, you could. Now if you want to impose ridiculous deadlines, yes. If time is not of the essence, you can mollycoddle an answer out of them. So, can what you are proposing get the answer to your question about the nuke going off in 24 hrs? I think not. But you tell me.

Torture only leads to the tortured saying what he thinks his torturer wants to hear. Not only that but it produces information that cannot be used in court to prosecute the suspect even in the unlikely case that the information is correct. Besides if you torture all you're doing is saying to the world that you're no better than the terrorists you claim are evil and all this just fuels more terrorism. Look at how beneficial Abu Ghraib was to us. :rolleyes:

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1879644)
Don't have any incontinent people in your family? No nursing homes or hospital people? Never hear of the phrase "depends" being used to make jokes about adult diapers?

No.

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 01:10 PM

I recommend you all see the movie Rendition including the bonus material. Then come back and tell me how torture is great.

aklim 06-10-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879658)
No.

Sounds like a real sheltered life to me.

aklim 06-10-2008 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879663)
I recommend you all see the movie Rendition including the bonus material. Then come back and tell me how torture is great.

Does that movie include what KSM might have told us WITHOUT the torture? Probably would be a blip that got cut out for lack of content.

aklim 06-10-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879655)
Torture only leads to the tortured saying what he thinks his torturer wants to hear. Not only that but it produces information that cannot be used in court to prosecute the suspect even in the unlikely case that the information is correct.

Besides if you torture all you're doing is saying to the world that you're no better than the terrorists you claim are evil and all this just fuels more terrorism. Look at how beneficial Abu Ghraib was to us. :rolleyes:

So no information was gotten that led to the capture of KSM? So what are you saying? That some cops happened to see him while on coffee break and they decided to raid that place and capture him?

What is the value of (infinity + 1)? WGAS about being better? Did it do anything to help Daniel Pearl or the other "guests"?

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1879673)
Sounds like a real sheltered life to me.

Don't be an ass.

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim
So no information was gotten that led to the capture of KSM? So what are you saying?

Do you realize that KSM might have to be released because of his torture? This has already happened with some of the other Gitmo suspects. Torture = no evidence that can be used in court. You just don't get it do you. Maybe you will when it happens to a member of your family.

John Doe 06-10-2008 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879641)
I don't know about you but I don't wear any.

And you tell aklim to quit being an ass?

aklim 06-10-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879697)
Don't be an ass.

And not live up to your expectations of me?

DieselAddict 06-10-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1879704)
And you tell aklim to quit being an ass?

I'm not the one making jokes about adult diapers.

aklim 06-10-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1879698)
Do you realize that KSM might have to be released because of his torture? This has already happened with some of the other Gitmo suspects. Torture = no evidence that can be used in court.

You just don't get it do you.

Maybe you will when it happens to a member of your family.

Why do you think he wants to be sentenced to death? You don't think it is because he can die as a martyr and make up for his sin of exposing the gang secrets, do you? I don't care if they let him go. Think he will EVER be in a position of trust in the group again? Doubtful. Alive and roaming around, he is an example. Dead he is a martyr and a hero for finally living up to his responsibilities.

No I don't get it.

Will it matter?


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