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t walgamuth 02-26-2008 08:12 AM

I would bet everything that it will never be offered to him.

Tom W

t walgamuth 02-26-2008 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer (Post 1774880)
That was my point, I assume that most people know that.

I am still waiting for a technical explanation of how Nader's candidacy was rendered a non factor in the 2000 election.....or 2004.

Tom W

Botnst 02-26-2008 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1774906)
I am still waiting for a technical explanation of how Nader's candidacy was rendered a non factor in the 2000 election.....or 2004.

Tom W

#27.

Brian Carlton 02-26-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer (Post 1774384)
Why do people claim to support third parties only when it supports their own ideology or hurts the opponent? they have a word for it...it begins with an H.

Because of the electoral college Nader and Paul's candidacy means absolutely nothing to the major party candidates.

I'd agree.

However, in the year 2000, I'll make a WAG that Nader sealed the bid for GWB in FL. Take Nader out and Al Gore gets more of the Nader vote than GWB gets.

Therefore, although the third party doesn't have much of an effect, there are very close states where they can swing the difference.

Naturally, you'd need to conclude that Nader takes most of the Democratic votes and little of the Republican votes............but, I don't believe that's much of a stretch.

SwampYankee 02-26-2008 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1774905)
I would bet everything that it will never be offered to him.

Tom W

Guaranteed. I think the answer would be a foregone conclusion anyway. I don't think there's any love lost there.

Medmech 02-26-2008 09:18 AM

Like Tankdriver said the vote belongs to the voter not the candidates, I applaud any 3rd 4th or 5th party candidate because it solidifies our democracy and forces the front runner to answer special interest questions/issues. Bring em on I don't care if it hurts my candidate, I'm glad people still have a choice which last time I checked is ground zero for a successful democracy.

Long live the Bull Moose Party.

t walgamuth 02-26-2008 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1774916)
#27.

That is not any explanation.

Tom W

SwampYankee 02-26-2008 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1774934)
I'd agree.

However, in the year 2000, I'll make a WAG that Nader sealed the bid for GWB in FL. Take Nader out and Al Gore gets more of the Nader vote than GWB gets.

Therefore, although the third party doesn't have much of an effect, there are very close states where they can swing the difference.

Naturally, you'd need to conclude that Nader takes most of the Democratic votes and little of the Republican votes............but, I don't believe that's much of a stretch.

I believe that to be the case but if Gore were able to take his home state of TN it's a moot point.

Botnst 02-26-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1774958)
That is not any explanation.

Tom W

#27 works for me.

mgburg 02-26-2008 10:05 AM

Ross P. took the Presidency away from Bob Dole...so there! :tt2:

Big deal...if the candidate is afraid of a 3rd/4th/...umpteenth party...then there's something wrong with THAT candidate...or the candidate's supporters.

Look at the 3rd Worlders...they shoot the weak candidates...usually enough that they become worm-food.

Instead of the EC, let's just shoot the loosers of the primaries...that way, they can't come back and muddle up the works for the "selected."

Give me a break! :rolleyes:

If the Demys are worried about Ralphy, then they should have fielded a better batch of wood than what's running around the country right now.

And if the Demys want to shoot their wad on Ross and drag his carcass out into the sunlight, go for it.

The more, the merrier...

Then watch the stories and finger-pointing begin.

It's going to be a LOOOOOOOONG summer and fall this year...

And to think, Global Warming has to do with "hot air" - go firgure!

:tt2:

t walgamuth 02-26-2008 10:12 AM

Is it a coincidence that all the folks saying third parties are good and so forth are republican leaning?

I don't think so.

Tom W

mgburg 02-26-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1775039)
Is it a coincidence that all the folks saying third parties are good and so forth are republican leaning? I don't think so. Tom W

Hey, I'll admit that I giggled a little when I heard that Ralph's on the loose...but I figured "What the hell, the Reps still have Ron and Mike running around...and Ross is welcome anytime..."

Am I becoming jaded? I don't think so...but I know that Hilly-bob and BHO aren't my cup of tea, I don't think Mike's got a snowball's chance in Texas and Ron, even though I like him better than John, John has a better chance with the mainstream.

So, I'm throwing my vote away on John. I think Ron's got VERY VALID points on alot of items, but the popular vote says NO...so I'm making my vote count where I really need it to...does that make me a bad guy?

The Ron folks might think so. But their opinions are in the minority right now.

Maybe if some of the Demys had come OVER and voted for Ron, you might have lessened the impact that McCain has on us Reps...but that's another story/conspiracy for another day.

I just love squirmming...the talking heads are just spinning like crazy these days! :D

Medmech 02-26-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1775039)
Is it a coincidence that all the folks saying third parties are good and so forth are republican leaning?

I don't think so.

Tom W

Most of the "republicans" here vote libertarian BTW.

suginami 02-26-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1774934)
I'd agree.

However, in the year 2000, I'll make a WAG that Nader sealed the bid for GWB in FL. Take Nader out and Al Gore gets more of the Nader vote than GWB gets.

Therefore, although the third party doesn't have much of an effect, there are very close states where they can swing the difference.

Naturally, you'd need to conclude that Nader takes most of the Democratic votes and little of the Republican votes............but, I don't believe that's much of a stretch.

I was watching Tim Russert's show "Meet the Press" when Ralph Nader made the announcement this past Sunday, and Tim Russert asked him that very question, that his 3rd party candidacy cost Al Gore the election because Al Gore lost Florida by about 530 votes.

His answer was that he was tired of hearing that explanation, that polls show that about 250,000 Democrats voted for Bush in Florida, so Gore had problems with his own base.

It also goes without saying that Gore wouldn't have needed Florida if he had won his own home state of Tennessee.

Brian Carlton 02-26-2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by suginami (Post 1775119)
His answer was that he was tired of hearing that explanation, that polls show that about 250,000 Democrats voted for Bush in Florida, so Gore had problems with his own base.

It also goes without saying that Gore wouldn't have needed Florida if he had won his own home state of Tennessee.


The fact that he doesn't want to hear the explanation..........doesn't change the facts regarding the subject.

If my aunt had wheels, she'd be a trolleycar (a favorite expression of my father).;)


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