For that $400, you ought to be able to fly Howie down AND take him to a nice dinner after he takes care of business for you.

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1974 Triumph TR6
1999 Saab 9-5 wagon (wife's)

The .22LR sub-sonics have heavier bullets that make them sub-sonic some are 60grains, they have more than enough energy to kill Mr. Beaver @ 50 yards.

People should not compensate for poor marksmanship with a bigger load, most people know my motto "keep it lite and shoot it right". Refer back to the P90 thread when people want this massive firepower while anyone skilled knows that a little plinker in the head is what the doctor ordered.

I'm sorry, Bot. I'm getting images of you, dressed like Bill Murray's character in Caddy Shack.

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2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

It's been a while since I shot mine, but don't they make a "hollow-point" 22LR round anymore?

IIRC, when I was younger (Don't go there...), my little brother and I had a few boxes of the stuff (Remington, I think...) and we'd shoot up a sorts of stuff...small hole in, BIGGER hole out...

That'd do fine for Bot, at the distance he's talking about...and even if the shot makes it to the beaver, with all that fur and bone, it may not make it out, but the damage inside should be fatal, in the least.

RIGHT?

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'10 - Dakota SXT - Daily Ride / ≈ 172.5K
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..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~ Yogi Berra ~

So where would you place the bullet to kill mr. beaver with one shot? Between the eyes?

Tom W

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Sounds good to me. I'm looking forward to his lifestyle post-retirement.

B

Anywhere in the head/neck or heart/lungs they die...thats it.

While Mr. Beaver is swimming I would put it in his ear.

Yes, hollow points are out there (it's what I use vs Mr Squirrel). I like their stopping power, they often stay in the carcass (and if not, don't carry far if you hit what you shoot) and they don't ricochet worth a flip, which is another safety thingie. I think there's even a subsonic hollow point, but I'm still low on that learning curve.

B

CNS & heart-lung. Same for any animal.

B

Are yall sure it is ok to kill a beaver. I just saw a special on beavers not to long ago. I think it can be relocated if needed.
Am I the only one on the beaver’s side?

I think beaver pelts are about to make a comeback.

Here's a link on trapping:
http://www.bugspray.com/articles99/beaver.html

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Anybody who wants to come live-trap and relocate is more than welcome.

I like beavers and I appreciate their increasing of landscape diversity, groundwater recharge, water retention, and habitat enrichment. I'd prefer not to subsidize their many blessings bestowed on mankind by drowning the trees from which my family derives income.

Put another way, I'd be glad to leave them alone if folks will send me a check for the loss of timber value, present and future.

B

I'm going out on a limb here...but...

First off, the beaver, probably, got relocated by some "do-gooder" to that area without checking with the local landowners...the beaver just didn't materialize out of thin air, or "morph" into a beaver from a tadpole...someone dropped it off and it made its way to Bot's GPs' farm.

Secondly, calling in the Fish&Game or the DNR will draw attention to the fact that the furry little chair-leg munchers are on the property...now you got tree-huggers singing "KOOM-BYE-YAH" around the pond with little Japanese-Origami-Candle-Holders floating in the pond...

Hey, wait...Bot, that's it...invite the tree-freaks, have 'em light the candles and with a little luck, they'll burn the damn dam down!

Problem solved! And by no less than short-sighted do-gooders!

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..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~ Yogi Berra ~

Frau Flattaill is native and abundant in this region. They migrate up and down all of the waterways in the state. As the best habitat become over-populated she moves into other, less salubrious environs. They are a pest in suburbs, for example. Pest? yes, they like to dam-up culverts and drainage-ways.

In this state tree-hugging is in it's infancy so that's not really a consideration. By the same token the W&F don't have a lot of interest in dealing with what we all consider a landowner's problem. I could hire a trapper but they are really busy making big bucks off of rich suburbanites and don't want to have to traipse around in teh woods with a load of Conibers on their backs when they can trap out of their pick-ups in town.

Thus, time to call-out the lord high executioner to ring death down upon the dam builders!

b

Subject: Go Figure

This is a copy of an actual letter sent to Ryan DeVries, from the
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. Wait
till you read this guy's response - but read the entire letter before
you get to the response.

Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;

Site Location: Montcalm County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality
that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced
parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner
and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet
stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A
review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.

Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in
violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994,
being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws
annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially
failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at
downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently
hazardous and cannot be permitted.

The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by
removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.
All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2002.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so
that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure
to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the
site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement
action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative
Land and Water Management Division
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RESPONSE:

Dear Mr. Price,

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;
Montcalm County

Reference your certified letter dated 12/17/2000 has been referred to me
to respond to. First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal
landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.

I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State
unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris"
dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond.

While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I
think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of
natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your
department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any
place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could
ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam
ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their
dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must
first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam
activity. My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers? or,
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said
dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through
the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those
other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
will see if there really is a dam violation of P! art 301, Inland Lakes
and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.3010,1 to
324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several
concerns. My first concern is aren't the beavers entitled to legal
representation?

The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay
for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a
lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed
during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a
natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In
other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than
harrass them and call their dam names. If you want the stream "restored"
to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you
are going to arrest them they obviously did not pay any attention to
your dam letter (being unable to read English).

In my humble ! opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build
their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I do to live
and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and
Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the
natural resources
(Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be
referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until
1/31/2002 The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and
there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them
then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real
environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears.
Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you
should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The
bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to
contact you on your answering machine, I am sending this response to
your office via another government organization - the USPS. Maybe,
someday, it will get there.

Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten
The University of Texas at: Austin
Office Community Relations/Accounting unit
P.O. Box 7367
Austin, TX 78713