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aklim 09-16-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1966476)
You are still apparently confused.

It is impossible to predict the price of fuel tomorrow, much less 20 years hence. If the price is unpredictable, then so is the impact, or lack thereof, of new sources of oil.

B

The other thing to note is that it is impossible to predict the effect of the oil we have because:

1. We don't know what we will have in 20 yrs. Lets call it a swag.
2. We don't know what the world will have in 20 yrs. Lets call that SWAG

Therefore, all we have percentage wise is swag/SWAG*100

John Doe 09-16-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1965596)
Fear or not, this doesn't change the fact that by the most accurate assessment we have offshore oil drilling will have no positive effect for decades, and even then it will be negligible. Wake up people, this offshore drilling is nothing but stupid pandering just like the gas tax holiday was, except this time many more people are falling for it.

Wake up yourself--some of us will benefit from the industry like we are with the resurgence of drilling in some of the gulf states;)

RichC 09-16-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1966476)
You are still apparently confused.

It is impossible to predict the price of fuel tomorrow, much less 20 years hence. If the price is unpredictable, then so is the impact, or lack thereof, of new sources of oil.

B

So because you think things might change in 20 years we should continue
to do the same thing over and over that has not worked.

Brilliant !

I wonder what Einstein would have to say about that ?


:jester:
RichC

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RichC 09-16-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1966519)
Wake up yourself--some of us will benefit from the industry like we are with the resurgence of drilling in some of the gulf states;)

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How are you guys benifiting from the drilling going on in the gulf ?

:jester:
RichC

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DieselAddict 09-16-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1966476)
You are still apparently confused.

It is impossible to predict the price of fuel tomorrow, much less 20 years hence. If the price is unpredictable, then so is the impact, or lack thereof, of new sources of oil.

B

Wrong. The relative impact is much more predictable than the actual price. I can't believe you're even arguing about this.

DieselAddict 09-16-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1966502)
The other thing to note is that it is impossible to predict the effect of the oil we have because:

1. We don't know what we will have in 20 yrs. Lets call it a swag.
2. We don't know what the world will have in 20 yrs. Lets call that SWAG

Therefore, all we have percentage wise is swag/SWAG*100

We have a pretty good idea. It's not like we don't know at all.

aklim 09-16-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1966532)
We have a pretty good idea. It's not like we don't know at all.

How would we know? Do you know what a given oil field will produce in 20 years? Do you know what technology will be present that might make it more profitable and so continue extraction? Oil fields once thought "dry" are coming back to life because cost and technology has made extraction more profitable today. Is that factored into their equation?

Without all these and probably more, what we have is just a guess as opposed to a pretty good idea.

Botnst 09-16-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1966530)
Wrong. The relative impact is much more predictable than the actual price. I can't believe you're even arguing about this.

Wrong, the relative impact is itself impossible to predict.

Why?

Look at the assumptions in the model.

I can't believe you're even arguing about this.

B

John Doe 09-16-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 1966527)
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How are you guys benifiting from the drilling going on in the gulf ?

:jester:
RichC

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Gulf states. Investing in leases and production.

Google Friede Goldman Halter and use your imagination as to how some of us will benefit from offshore drilling.

Botnst 09-16-2008 04:21 PM

You want a fast boat that can take rough seas and haul nearly anything? http://www.vthaltermarine.com/ You hear those big diesel twins cut loose at the end of the Fourchon jetties as the boat accelerates. Whoa! Wish I had a recording of that to share. I rode on the bridge of one going down Southwest Pass. That is a wonder to watch and feel.

John Doe 09-16-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1966555)
You want a fast boat that can take rough seas and haul nearly anything? http://www.vthaltermarine.com/ You hear those big diesel twins cut loose at the end of the Fourchon jetties as the boat accelerates. Whoa! Wish I had a recording of that to share. I rode on the bridge of one going down Southwest Pass. That is a wonder to watch and feel.

They build offshore platforms too;)

Botnst 09-16-2008 04:38 PM

Then there are the onshore rig builders trying to keep up demand for Haynesville Shale prospectors.

http://www.haynesvilleshales.com/, No one knows for sure just how big the Haynesville Shale natural gas field is. But they do know it's big!

Companies like Chesapeak and Petrohawk have invested millions into the project.

But, how big will the economic impact be? A new well that hit last month in south Bossier parish is producing almost 17 million cubic feet per day. Translated, that's about $6 million dollars a month.
http://www.ktbs.com/news/Haynesville-Shale-Economic-impact-14215/ http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/SPECIALPROJECTS02/805040320

And the thousands of small landowners, like moi, who are getting leased and who may receive royalty checks for decades (ask me what that's like, I'm getting between $100 and $300 per month and have been for 37 years. Ha!).

DieselAddict 09-16-2008 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1966535)
How would we know? Do you know what a given oil field will produce in 20 years? Do you know what technology will be present that might make it more profitable and so continue extraction? Oil fields once thought "dry" are coming back to life because cost and technology has made extraction more profitable today. Is that factored into their equation?

Yes, because the relative impact of US offshore drilling is unlikely to be affected by improvements in oil extraction technology as those improvements will occur globally. The only way US offshore drilling would have a significant impact is if the other major oil producers started running out of extractable oil before we do, but based on current estimates that's extremely unlikely and you wouldn't want to experience that kind of impact anyway as it would likely lead to a global depression unless alternative energy becomes mainstream by then.

DieselAddict 09-16-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1966566)
Then there are the onshore rig builders trying to keep up demand for Haynesville Shale prospectors.

http://www.haynesvilleshales.com/, No one knows for sure just how big the Haynesville Shale natural gas field is. But they do know it's big!

Companies like Chesapeak and Petrohawk have invested millions into the project.

But, how big will the economic impact be? A new well that hit last month in south Bossier parish is producing almost 17 million cubic feet per day. Translated, that's about $6 million dollars a month.
http://www.ktbs.com/news/Haynesville-Shale-Economic-impact-14215/ http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/SPECIALPROJECTS02/805040320

And the thousands of small landowners, like moi, who are getting leased and who may receive royalty checks for decades (ask me what that's like, I'm getting between $100 and $300 per month and have been for 37 years. Ha!).

We were talking about oil, not natural gas, but since you brought it up, the US does have plentiful NG fields which could be used to make synthetic motor fuels, thereby significantly reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Ideally biomass would gradually replace NG as the source to make these fuels.

Botnst 09-16-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 1966610)
We were talking about oil, not natural gas, but since you brought it up, the US does have plentiful NG fields which could be used to make synthetic motor fuels, thereby significantly reducing our dependence on foreign oil. Ideally biomass would gradually replace NG as the source to make these fuels.

It's all good. I don't think anybody but a complete freaking fruitcake argues for only one energy source.

B


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