PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/)
-   Off-Topic Discussion (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/off-topic-discussion/)
-   -   US Airways jet ditches into the Hudson River (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/off-topic-discussion/242748-us-airways-jet-ditches-into-hudson-river.html)

Botnst 01-19-2009 10:15 AM

Men on the moon requires different physical science from a jet intake. There are some barriers that simply cannot be overcome. I'll take WVO's physical limitation as an absolute barrier. If you're deflecting a massive object you will also deflect fluids. Air behaves as a fluid at high pressure. Unless somebody has a non-faith-based, rational counter-argument, that sounds like end of story for a static barrier.



1 complete engine failure in 20 years is not a risk.

Why not put a couple of 8 ga gatling-type machine guns on the nose of the aircraft targeted by radar that automatically shoots any object within a probability cone of any engine when the aircraft is traveling more than 100 mph? Alternate between uranium depleted #2 shot and proximity-fused exploding shells. That's a retrofit, too.

Ha!

Medmech 01-19-2009 10:35 AM

How about all aircraft be retrofitted to Osprey type configuration and if a bird is detected the aircraft can simply stop and hover while letting the unharmed creatures fly by.

We can use bailout money to fund the project.....get to work.

Brian Carlton 01-19-2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2083206)
Why not put a couple of 8 ga gatling-type machine guns on the nose of the aircraft targeted by radar that automatically shoots any object within a probability cone of any engine when the aircraft is traveling more than 100 mph? Alternate between uranium depleted #2 shot and proximity-fused exploding shells. That's a retrofit, too.

Ha!

............those runways would take a beating from that gun...........

cmac2012 01-19-2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2083206)
Why not put a couple of 8 ga gatling-type machine guns on the nose of the aircraft targeted by radar that automatically shoots any object within a probability cone of any engine when the aircraft is traveling more than 100 mph? Alternate between uranium depleted #2 shot and proximity-fused exploding shells. That's a retrofit, too.

Hey, if we can make SDI work flawlessly surely we can pull that off.

WVOtoGO 01-19-2009 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2082996)
OK, I got the stuff right here: put on a guard, and retrofit each plane with tanks and delivery system for liquid oxygen so as to have sufficient oxygen on takeoff. Wouldn't cost too much, would it? :wacko:

LOL :D (with you. not at.)

Seeing as todays turbofan engines are just that. Turbine powered fans. The amount of oxygen the engine gets isnt the issue. It's all about the air that doesn’t go through the turbine. Most bypass ratios these days are in the 5:1 or higher range.

Botnst 01-19-2009 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2083237)
............those runways would take a beating from that gun...........

'at would be a ... blast.

WVOtoGO 01-19-2009 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2083206)
Men on the moon requires different physical science from a jet intake. There are some barriers that simply cannot be overcome. If you're deflecting a massive object you will also deflect fluids. Air behaves as a fluid at high pressure. Unless somebody has a non-faith-based, rational counter-argument, that sounds like end of story for a static barrier.

Could not have stated it better.
Thanks, Bot.

I like the gun idea too. I'm sure all the folks on the ground wouldn't have an issue with it, knowing that air travel is safer. Let’s get to work on that one for sure. :D

Or maybe some sort of sonic barrier that keeps all birds 75 miles away from every commercial airport in the world. That wouldn’t have any negative repercussions on the environment would it? :D

Saying its impossible is easy...and no effort will be made as long as people say that.

I agree with this thinking. However, working on a screen to put in front of a turbine aircraft engine to prevent bird ingestion is like getting to work on a pill I can take to make my legs 12’ longer (but only for a few hours, please) so that putting up my Christmas lights will be easier.

There are things that certain laws of physics and nature on this planet simply will not let us do.

Like I said. If we could, we would have done so already. I’m sure the military would have been all over it back when jets were suffering FOD issues from Migs blowing up in front of them and from low level run ground fire as well.

iwrock 01-19-2009 12:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSafRuLB0c0

cmac2012 01-19-2009 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2083206)
Men on the moon requires different physical science from a jet intake. There are some barriers that simply cannot be overcome.

You mean like making SDI work? Or traveling (interstellar) to other worlds?

Botnst 01-19-2009 01:27 PM

Saying its impossible is easy...and no effort will be made as long as people say that. ...

I'll just bet that ever since their have been compressors on jet engines, people have been looking for ways to protect them. If not, what a great moment for an enterprising engineer!

But before we all jump all over this, I'd search Google Scholar.

Botnst 01-19-2009 02:00 PM

Stephen Bradford, president of the U.S. Airline Pilots Association, said he asked Sullenberger not to talk to the media to avoid jeoparding the association's "interested party" status with the NTSB, which allows it to participate in the investigation.

"If the NTSB perceives that we are in any way compromising the objectivity of the investigation by innocuously releasing information to the media, our status will be rescinded and we will be unable to help determine the causal factors leading up to this very positive and well-documented outcome," he said.

Instead, Sullenberger released a statement through a family spokesperson. "The Sullenbergers continue to thank their many well-wishers for the incredible outpouring of support," it said. The pilot was invited to attend President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday, according to the mayor of his hometown, Danville, Calif.

Also Monday, the entire crew — Sullenberger, first officer and co-pilot Jeff Skiles, and flight attendants Sheila Dail, Doreen Welsh and Donna Dent — said in a joint statement they want the media to respect their decision not to give interviews during the investigation.

The crew members said they "wish to offer their sincere thanks and appreciation for the overwhelming support, praise and well wishes they have received from the public around the world since the events of last Thursday."

They said they are willing to do media interviews "when the time is right."

WVOtoGO 01-19-2009 02:35 PM

I’m sure Matt Lauer is pissed.

IIRC:
He thought he was going to be the first with Sullenberger tomorrow morning on Today.

t walgamuth 01-19-2009 07:32 PM

All kinds of scientists and engineers said the sound barrier was absolute. They thought if people went over 20 mph on early railroads they would spontaniously die.

This does not seem at all impossible to me. I do have some understanding of fluid dynamics.

Perhaps another way to avoid the contact is with advanced radar.

MS Fowler 01-19-2009 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2083778)
All kinds of scientists and engineers said the sound barrier was absolute. They thought if people went over 20 mph on early railroads they would spontaniously die.

This does not seem at all impossible to me. I do have some understanding of fluid dynamics.

Perhaps another way to avoid the contact is with advanced radar.

Combine that radar with microwaves and broil the birds in flight so they fall from the sky.
( I am not constrained by my knowledge of what won't work.) You file the environmental impact statement.

Brian Carlton 01-19-2009 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2083778)
All kinds of scientists and engineers said the sound barrier was absolute. They thought if people went over 20 mph on early railroads they would spontaniously die.

This does not seem at all impossible to me. I do have some understanding of fluid dynamics.

Perhaps another way to avoid the contact is with advanced radar.

Someday we'll get a proportional fuel economy increase from the same decrease in final drive ratio...........too.............;)


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:13 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website