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Botnst 01-31-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 2095875)
I have my doubts about those statistics.

It's all in how you ask questions, same for any poll.

There are lots of studies over many years and they indicate that the USA is still a strong majority Christian nation.

It gets tricky when they start asking about beliefs. How do we know how strongly beliefs are held? How many answer out of rote?

DieselAddict 01-31-2009 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2096069)
There are lots of studies over many years and they indicate that the USA is still a strong majority Christian nation.

No doubt. But Time magazine did a religious survey in the last few years and I remember reading that 20-25% of those Christians don't believe God interacts with daily life on Earth. Basically he has better things to do. As far as belief in evolution goes, from what I saw in another survey it's about 2/3 and about half of those also believe in God. Still somewhat worrisome, but not nearly as bad as the stats in your article.

MTUpower 01-31-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man (Post 2095887)
As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. :)

Does the lord serve beer in your house? :D

Botnst 01-31-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 2096157)
No doubt. But Time magazine did a religious survey in the last few years and I remember reading that 20-25% of those Christians don't believe God interacts with daily life on Earth. Basically he has better things to do. As far as belief in evolution goes, from what I saw in another survey it's about 2/3 and about half of those also believe in God. Still somewhat worrisome, but not nearly as bad as the stats in your article.

Which means 75% to 80% of those Christians do believe God interacts with daily life on Earth. Coincidentally, taht is the same figure as quoted in the article I posted. It's neat how the psychology interpalys with reading data.

1/4-empty? 3/4 full?

tonkovich 01-31-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2096367)
Which means 75% to 80% of those Christians do believe God interacts with daily life on Earth. Coincidentally, taht is the same figure as quoted in the article I posted. It's neat how the psychology interpalys with reading data.

1/4-empty? 3/4 full?

4/4 deluded?

god interacts in american lives, but elsewhere 600,000 rwandans die in one month. :confused:

Botnst 01-31-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2096374)
4/4 deluded?

god interacts in american lives, but elsewhere 600,000 rwandans die in one month. :confused:

Because you don't think their belief is based on reality does not mean that they don't have faith. The trick is how to deal with the faithful in a way that is both rational and constitutional, from their side and yours. It's not a single answer, one-time solution. The relationship evolves.

aklim 01-31-2009 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2096374)
god interacts in american lives, but elsewhere 600,000 rwandans die in one month. :confused:

And in the meantime, Tera Patrick, Briana Banks and Jenna Jameson aren't sleeping with me. Oh, sorry. I thought we were talking about imaginary friends.

DieselAddict 01-31-2009 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2096367)
Which means 75% to 80% of those Christians do believe God interacts with daily life on Earth. Coincidentally, taht is the same figure as quoted in the article I posted. It's neat how the psychology interpalys with reading data.

1/4-empty? 3/4 full?

You're cherry-picking and not even using the correct numbers. You article says 90% of Americans believing in an interacting God. That's quite higher. The main difference is how many believe in evolution. From what I remember reading elsewhere it's about 2/3 which is a lot more than your 25%. But half of those 2/3 believe evolution is overseen and regulated by God.

Botnst 01-31-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 2096415)
You're cherry-picking and not even using the correct numbers. You article says 90% of Americans believing in an interacting God. That's quite higher. The main difference is how many believe in evolution. From what I remember reading elsewhere it's about 2/3 which is a lot more than your 25%. But half of those 2/3 believe evolution is overseen and regulated by God.

Cherry picked? ok.

If you see a great difference between those stats, given the vagaries of polling, more power to you.

tonkovich 01-31-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 2096375)
Because you don't think their belief is based on reality does not mean that they don't have faith. The trick is how to deal with the faithful in a way that is both rational and constitutional, from their side and yours. It's not a single answer, one-time solution. The relationship evolves.

um, i never said i don't believe they have faith. the trick - as you say - is to stay away from them, as they are insane

Botnst 01-31-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2096492)
um, i never said i don't believe they have faith. the trick - as you say - is to stay away from them, as they are insane

75% to 90% of the people you see in the USA are insane.

B

The Clk Man 01-31-2009 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2096277)
Does the lord serve beer in your house? :D

I deserved that. :D

raslaje 01-31-2009 04:06 PM

Maybe we can all agree to be born again.

http://www.bornagainamerican.org/

RichC 01-31-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by R Leo (Post 2095280)
Startlingly similar to man-induced global warming.

Have you ever been to someplace like Chicago where you can almost chew the air ?

You have to admit we are putting a lot of crud into the air.

I can see how all that stuff in the air can have an effect on our weather.

They have allways called them greenhouse gasses because of their effects on the planet.

More polution in the air that acts like a greenhouse, higher tempratures.
Why dont you see how that is possible ?
What evidence can you point to that it is not possible.

Personally I dont care to breathe the crud in the air.
I prefer my air a little less chewie.

kerry 01-31-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by raslaje (Post 2096520)
Maybe we can all agree to be born again.

http://www.bornagainamerican.org/

I'm doing my fair share of exploring the route back into the womb. I keep getting stopped when the wide part hits.


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