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Old 01-29-2009, 08:34 PM
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Maybe some Christians should study their literature a little better and not force stuff down other people's throats when it is not requested. There are some extremely zealous Christian people that do more harm than good. I wish they'd realize this more often. If they are ignorant of facts, they should not take part in debates against people of higher intellect.

The argument Creationists propose is "But it can't be because of these inconsistencies" Creationists are skeptic. All science needs to adopt a skeptic nature. But one cannot be blind to established law, either. What is law?

The issue Atheists propose is "It is as such, because our data supports this theory..." Even if the theory is never made law (of course even laws can revert back to the previous status). If a theory is simply a theory, it is no greater than other theories, and should be taught in parallel with others. To the discretion of whatever school system takes it on. If you ask me, I don't think any of them should be taught in public schools if they aren't factual and unbiased. But what is, and what isn't?

Agnostics believe either side possible. But don't submit to either. I can certainly understand and respect that. There's a lot of crazy stuff out there, but that's why ya need to hit the books. This is why when I read on a sensitive subject such as molecular biology or another similar topic, I prefer the words of an agnostic, with the least amount of bias possible. I make my own decisions from there.

For me, I don't care what the heck you believe. I am not going to slam your head against the wall, and raise Hell. You already know It's there. It's YOUR choice. FWIW, that's a BIBLICAL philosophy!

If you don't believe in the Bible, then at least use it as guidance to follow natural law and order with the least amount of chaos: That's good enough for me.

I am biased towards Christianity. I am a Christian by faith, and faith alone. Sure I eventually arrived at that decision aided a lot of scrutinizing research. But still it comes down to FAITH! You aren't going to change my decision. But I again will emphasize that I am not going to try to change yours if you don't want it to. That's the difference.

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It's ironic that the greatest European proponent of faith in the 19th century was a Dane--Kierkegaard but now his country is one of the most secular in the world.
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Maybe some Christians should study their literature a little better and not force stuff down other people's throats when it is not requested. There are some extremely zealous Christian people that do more harm than good. I wish they'd realize this more often. If they are ignorant of facts, they should not take part in debates against people of higher intellect.

The argument Creationists propose is "But it can't be because of these inconsistencies" Creationists are skeptic. All science needs to adopt a skeptic nature. But one cannot be blind to established law, either. What is law?

The issue Atheists propose is "It is as such, because our data supports this theory..." Even if the theory is never made law (of course even laws can revert back to the previous status). If a theory is simply a theory, it is no greater than other theories, and should be taught in parallel with others. To the discretion of whatever school system takes it on. If you ask me, I don't think any of them should be taught in public schools if they aren't factual and unbiased. But what is, and what isn't?

Agnostics believe either side possible. But don't submit to either. I can certainly understand and respect that. There's a lot of crazy stuff out there, but that's why ya need to hit the books. This is why when I read on a sensitive subject such as molecular biology or another similar topic, I prefer the words of an agnostic, with the least amount of bias possible. I make my own decisions from there.

For me, I don't care what the heck you believe. I am not going to slam your head against the wall, and raise Hell. You already know It's there. It's YOUR choice. FWIW, that's a BIBLICAL philosophy!

If you don't believe in the Bible, then at least use it as guidance to follow natural law and order with the least amount of chaos: That's good enough for me.

I am biased towards Christianity. I am a Christian by faith, and faith alone. Sure I eventually arrived at that decision aided a lot of scrutinizing research. But still it comes down to FAITH! You aren't going to change my decision. But I again will emphasize that I am not going to try to change yours if you don't want it to. That's the difference.

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Rom 14:11....... For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.......
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:23 PM
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The irony is when "YOU" die, You will then know Gods Word( Holy Bible) is true..........God does not break his promise........Every knee Shall Bow!!......

Rom 14:11....... For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.......
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I don't need your proselytizing. Your fundamentalist crap offends me; take it somewhere else.
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It's ironic that the greatest European proponent of faith in the 19th century was a Dane--Kierkegaard but now his country is one of the most secular in the world.
That's true. But even if he was a Dane, the common folk do have individual minds, and he did not have the power to rule over their thoughts and opinions. A single ordinary man couldn't be much of an influence for that crowd. The tighter the grip, the more is lost.
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It's ironic that the greatest European proponent of faith in the 19th century was a Dane--Kierkegaard but now his country is one of the most secular in the world.
Kierkegaard was a bozo; now that Victor Eremita, he knew what he was talking about(just joking, i really like Kierkegaard)
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I don't need your proselytizing. Your fundamentalist crap offends me; take it somewhere else.
Hey Randy,

Its not my word that offends you....It's His Holy Word...That offends your spirit............
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Hey Randy,

Its not my word that offends you....It's His Holy Word...That offends your spirit............
his? who are you referring to?
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Hey Randy,

Its not my word that offends you....It's His Holy Word...That offends your spirit............
Create a god in your mind that creates life and people just to send more than half of those he professes to love to eternal hell, knowing in advance, before he creates them the path they will follow ... and decide this is the god you'll love. You are correct- that offends my spirit. A god like that is evil.
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Create a god in your mind that creates life and people just to send more than half of those he professes to love to eternal hell, knowing in advance, before he creates them the path they will follow ... and decide this is the god you'll love. You are correct- that offends my spirit. A god like that is evil.

Take your beef up with HIM.....Like HE says....Every Knee Shall Bow!!...
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Create a god in your mind that creates life and people just to send more than half of those he professes to love to eternal hell, knowing in advance, before he creates them the path they will follow ... and decide this is the god you'll love. You are correct- that offends my spirit. A god like that is evil.
possibly the worst misapprehension of God i've ever read. your alleged knowledge regarding the Grace and love of God of what God did or will do offends; you are loved nonetheless
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Take your beef up with HIM.....Like HE says....Every Knee Shall Bow!!...
is it possible for you to converse without resorting to dogma?

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