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Old 01-30-2009, 07:44 PM
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I'll sit on the chair; Ann can sit on you!
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There! I topped ya'!

Fight over!!!

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Old 01-30-2009, 07:53 PM
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I'll sit on the chair; Ann can sit on you!
I have other places for her to sit on.
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The RNC is in the process of picking a new chair. Michael Steele appears to be in the lead. If he's the best they have, then I think the Dems are in good shape. He ran for Governor of Maryland a few years ago, in 2006, I believe it was. The incumbent at the time was Republican, but Maryland is a strong Democratic state and it was a particularly bad year for Republicans. Things were so bad, he tried to convince people that he was a Democrat. Someone, I don't recall whether it was from his campaign, passed out bumper stickers saying "Steele Democrat." When called on it, he defended the bumper sticker by saying that it was intended to refer to the owner of the sticker as a Democrat who supports the Republican Steele, sort of like the old Reagan Democrats. It was completely dishonest, yet he defended it. Since then, he has been on Fox News spewing crap. The man has no credibility, IMHO. If the GOP puts him up there to lead the party, along with Mitchell, Boehner, and Cantor, then I'm feeling good about the Dems' chances in 2010.
You packed an amazing amount of misinformation in that little post....

Michael Steel was the Lt. Gov under Gov Bob Ehrlich.
He ran for some other office, whether Senate or House, I do not recall.
The Steele Democrat bumper sticker was used to identify Democrats who were pro Steele; it was not an attempt to deceive anyone into thinking he was a Democrat. I am a marylander; I never heard anything here about him trying to deceive people with that.

He was also the object of some democrats hurling Oreo cookies at him during a campaign debate--Very little mention was made of this in the objective media.
He was also the object of illegal search and release of private data--like SS info, and other stuff--This was engineered by the DNC--also received very little press coverage. Its OK to use private records to attack a republican, but not a dem??
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:47 PM
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So Steele is the man whose picture I saw just a minute ago....an African American man?

A person of color being a republican reminds me of a chicken deciding he wants to become a fox so he can eat chickens!
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An African American GOP chairman speaks of desperate measures by desperate men.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:14 PM
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I think your missing the point with this guy. The color of his skin doesnt demonstrate their desperation. The fact that he's a liberal does. Republicans dont seem to get it anymore If they want to survive as a party they need to be conservatives.
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The RNC is in the process of picking a new chair. Michael Steele appears to be in the lead. If he's the best they have, then I think the Dems are in good shape. He ran for Governor of Maryland a few years ago, in 2006, I believe it was. The incumbent at the time was Republican, but Maryland is a strong Democratic state and it was a particularly bad year for Republicans. Things were so bad, he tried to convince people that he was a Democrat. Someone, I don't recall whether it was from his campaign, passed out bumper stickers saying "Steele Democrat." When called on it, he defended the bumper sticker by saying that it was intended to refer to the owner of the sticker as a Democrat who supports the Republican Steele, sort of like the old Reagan Democrats. It was completely dishonest, yet he defended it. Since then, he has been on Fox News spewing crap. The man has no credibility, IMHO. If the GOP puts him up there to lead the party, along with Mitchell, Boehner, and Cantor, then I'm feeling good about the Dems' chances in 2010.
Lee Atwater was my friend. RIP My wife currently represents another very popular former RNC chair. I agree that Steele seems a hell of a stupid choice, given the opportunity for a Gingrich style takeover (which I know you deny) may be about to happen.
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So Steele is the man whose picture I saw just a minute ago....an African American man?

A person of color being a republican reminds me of a chicken deciding he wants to become a fox so he can eat chickens!
That strikes me as a really stupid and/or hypocritical comment.
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That strikes me as a really stupid and/or hypocritical comment.

Don't you know Republicans EAT black people! mmm mmm Oreo cookies
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You packed an amazing amount of misinformation in that little post....
I got one thing wrong. Steele did not run for Governor. He ran for the U.S. Senate. Otherwise, your post is either incorrect, IMHO, or not relevant to what I said and therefore not supportive of your claim that I gave misinformation.
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...The Steele Democrat bumper sticker was used to identify Democrats who were pro Steele; it was not an attempt to deceive anyone into thinking he was a Democrat...
That is Steele's version. It wasn't plausible when he tried to sell it in 2006 and it is not plausible now.
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I am a marylander; I never heard anything here about him trying to deceive people with that.
His dirty tricks were widely reported. Here is a Washington Post article that includes quotes making the charge directly http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092300889.html

It was also reported, I think in that article, that Steele falsely claimed that certain prominent black politicians had endorsed him. Here is a link to a site talking about that issue, with links to other articles http://www.slate.com/id/2153432/entry/0/

An even dirtier trick was when he paid homeless people from Philadelphia to pass out phony sample ballots depicting Steele and Ehrlich as Democrats http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/07/AR2006110700740.html [there seems to be something wrong with that link. It opens the Post article, but then re-directs me back to this website. Not sure what that's about.]

According to this website - http://centerblue.org/2006/09/23/md-sen-republicans-anonymous-steele-campaigns-as-a-democrat/ - the "Steele Democrat" issue and the accusations that the slogan was dishonest were reported in the Baltimore Sun. The Sun won't let you get full articles that far back without a subscription, but here is a headline that looks like it is on point: DEMOCRATS ACCUSE STEELE OF `POLITICAL IDENTITY THEFT' That is from the 9/26/06 edition of the Sun.

If the slogan was intended to describe Democrats who supported Steele, like the Reagan Democrats who supported Reagan, then why did they use the strategy in predominantly black neighborhoods? To capitalize on Reagan's great popularity with black people?

I'm sure a google search will turn up plenty of other references.
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He was also the object of some democrats hurling Oreo cookies at him during a campaign debate--Very little mention was made of this in the objective media.
Really? How come I knew about it? The truth of that story is disputed by eyewitnesses: http://mediamatters.org/items/200610270012 but I recall Steele being subjected to that type of attack, which was really unfortunate. Of course, it has nothing to do with what I posted and has nothing to do with his lack of integrity.
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He was also the object of illegal search and release of private data--like SS info, and other stuff--This was engineered by the DNC--also received very little press coverage. Its OK to use private records to attack a republican, but not a dem??
I have no idea what you are talking about. Who said it was OK to do that to Republicans? And what does it have to do with Steele's lack of integrity?

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Lee Atwater was my friend. RIP
They say he was brilliant. Took a few wrong turns here and there, but who doesn't.
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My wife currently represents another very popular former RNC chair.
Does his name rhyme with barber? The party kicked some serious rear end during his tenure.
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I agree that Steele seems a hell of a stupid choice, given the opportunity for a Gingrich style takeover (which I know you deny) may be about to happen.
I would never deny Newt's great victory. Thank God it was relatively short-lived. I see a strong parallel between the early 90s and now. I'm sure that point is not lost on Tim Kaine.

Steele might do OK. I have no idea. I think it's funny that the RNC chair was claiming to be a Democrat less than 3 years ago.
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What's good for the donkey is good for the elephant. Qualifications and substance take a backseat to style.
Howard Dean has plenty of substance. So does Tim Kaine, the current DNC chair. I've met Kaine. Very sharp. Not real big on charisma, but a sharp guy. No doubt about it. And Dean has kicked butt in every political position he's held. His presidential campaign fizzled, but he put a scare into the other candidates.
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One advantage I have in being a Marylander is that I know the Baltimore Sun. It is a once-proud newsapaer that 40 years ago was one of the very best in the country.

Now, it is but a sad shadow of its former self. It has degenerated to being the democrat party on deadline, aka the Pratt and Center Street Democrat Club. ( Pratt and Center being the former address of the paper).
As an example of how far they have fallen, they ran an editorial ( granted it was an editorial--but then it does represent their editorial position), that said the Mr. Steele, brought nothing to the Gubanatorial ticket " Other than the color of his skin". Would anyone permit that statement to be said of ANY liberal black politician. It betrays the mentality that blacks MUST be liberals, and support liberal politicians or they "don't know their place". And the democrats only tolerate blacks who know their place, and do the bidding of their masters.
As a result, anything thing in the Baltimore Sun is intended to advance their liberal/ democrat agenda. By the way, this is not an isolated event, I could post dozens of things they have either over-reported, under reported, or spiked until after an election.
Their agenda is well-known; they are not a source of anything near objective news.
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An African American GOP chairman speaks of desperate measures by desperate men.
Your comment, and the one above it, speaks to me of someone who has prejudged that all blacks must believe in a ceretain way. Any black person who doesn't fit your profile is not a "real" black person.

Maybe we should look at the principles he espouses rather than the color of his skin.

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