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MTI 05-27-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2210309)
I don't consider commemorating the dead of war and demonstrating love of country base emotions.

A 36" x 60" flag in a shared office space was the problem, not whether commemoration or patriotism was in question. Both sides seemed to have erred.

Fitz 05-27-2009 01:36 PM

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McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said that supervisor took down the flag herself.
Immigrants aren't what they used to be.

DieselAddict 05-27-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 2210294)
It was not her office.

"Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors."

And she did not ask anyone that shares the office with her.

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Rampant nationalism does not make a patriot.
It makes you rampant.

Empty gestures are just that, empty.

Exactly right. Flying a flag on its own does not make you a good patriot, just like saying "I love you" doesn't on its own make you a good spouse. It's always good to respect other people's wishes if you're sharing space with them. I'm sure if I erected a 30 ft American flag in my front yard, I'd hear from the homeowner's association. Doesn't matter if it's the flag or a dirty diaper, not everyone may want to look at it.

DieselAddict 05-27-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitz (Post 2210387)
Immigrants aren't what they used to be.

Unless she wants to replace the US flag with her native country's flag, there's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting any flag in your office.

MTI 05-27-2009 04:10 PM

or long hair . . . as in "lettin' your freak flag fly" . . .

mgburg 05-27-2009 05:03 PM

It seems like the hospital case came out as in "The one that wins is the one that screwed up the least."

Someone took the flag down without talking about their discomfort about it, then they placed the flag and pole on the ground. That's so wrong on so many levels...I won't list them...

Now, was the flag/pole arrangement set up like a 3'x5' display or was it a 3'x5' flag hanging from either a vertical pole or a horizontal pole?

Regardless the way the flag was displayed, it shouldn't have been touched except by the owner of said flag...and I seriously doubt anyone was being driven to the point of physical illness or the flag was blocking an entrance/exit...

The hospital should have gotten the offended parties together and worked out a solution before it went off-site and into the press.

Now, if you want to deal with offensive, I've got Packer items in my office (not shared), a Christmas Card from the White House and a really big piece of "art" from a car club I belong to. I probably take the edge off the Packer stuff with the pair of M&M dispensers I have in the office too...ALWAYS fully stocked with plain and peanut...if they don't like the Packer crap, they don't need to come into my office and partake of the M&Ms.

But, conversly, I have to put up with them wearing their Vikings, Bears, SL Cardinals and related clothing when they come into my office...

Now, politics? We wear our hearts on our sleeves, but we choose NOT to discuss it at work...and when the other party wins/loses? The next day is a respectful nod of the head and that's it.

tankdriver 05-27-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake (Post 2210297)
It is an American flag, not like she was hanging a Power Rangers poster or such....just the flag of our country. How could anyone object to that? Maybe I am just stupid.....

I agree with you on the nonsensical-ness at being offended by a country's flag. It's like being offended by textured walls or thin carpets.

However, that is a pretty giant flag for indoors. Kind of like blaring music from your desk instead of keeping the volume down or wearing headphones.

RichC 05-27-2009 11:46 PM

A lot of times there is a verry offensive personality that comes with specific behaviors.

The rampant nationalist has a lot in common with the rampant nascar fan, religous zelot,
and the dogmatic schismatic driven personality.

I am better than you are, and I will prove it by putting this oversized ( insert noun here ) in your face.

And yes, I purposly made that sound very Freudian....

The list of nouns that can be interposed in the sentence usually starts with something like :

American Flag
or
Football team banner
or
Religous symbol

We all have to deal with these people, somtimes on a daily basis.

Personally, I try to keep any interactions with this personality type at a very superficial level.
Smile, wave, say hello, and continue on my way.

And if you cant think of anyone who acts like that,
Then you just might be that person..


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LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:19 AM

I don't believe what I read here.

LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 2210909)
A lot of times there is a verry offensive personality that comes with specific behaviors.

The rampant nationalist has a lot in common with the rampant nascar fan, religous zelot,
and the dogmatic schismatic driven personality.

I am better than you are, and I will prove it by putting this oversized ( insert noun here ) in your face.

And yes, I purposly made that sound very Freudian....

The list of nouns that can be interposed in the sentence usually starts with something like :

American Flag
or
Football team banner
or
Religous symbol

We all have to deal with these people, somtimes on a daily basis.

Personally, I try to keep any interactions with this personality type at a very superficial level.
Smile, wave, say hello, and continue on my way.

And if you cant think of anyone who acts like that,
Then you just might be that person..

....

Now, I think, you're getting real irrational. Although we don't know the personality details behind the scene, one thing is for sure, The Stars and Stripes is not just another banner. Period.

I might be offened by the persons intention to put up the flag, but never by the flag itself.

Which concludes in the fact, that no matter how much I might be irritated by the perosn itself, I would never touch the flag in order to take it down. Never.

LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver (Post 2210582)
I agree with you on the nonsensical-ness at being offended by a country's flag. It's like being offended by textured walls or thin carpets.

However, that is a pretty giant flag for indoors. Kind of like blaring music from your desk instead of keeping the volume down or wearing headphones.

I disagree. A 3x5 is not a giant flag size. Neither indoors nor outdoors.

LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 2210465)
Unless she wants to replace the US flag with her native country's flag, there's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting any flag in your office.

Not wanting a flag in your office and taking it down self handedly are 2 major variations of a different kind.

LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitz (Post 2210387)
Immigrants aren't what they used to be.

I think you got that right. Most of them just come to milk the cows. True devotion is hard to find these days.

LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict (Post 2210461)
Exactly right. Flying a flag on its own does not make you a good patriot, just like saying "I love you" doesn't on its own make you a good spouse. It's always good to respect other people's wishes if you're sharing space with them. I'm sure if I erected a 30 ft American flag in my front yard, I'd hear from the homeowner's association. Doesn't matter if it's the flag or a dirty diaper, not everyone may want to look at it.

He is not exactly right and neither are you.

LaRondo 05-29-2009 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt L (Post 2210218)
Why shouldn't the owner or supervisor have COMPLETE control over the workplace, Jake?

He doesn't. It's that simple.


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