But will it have the effect AFTER it is cooked? After all, we eat the food cooked for the most part and will the cooking heat destroy the hormones?

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I like my meat rare, practically uncooked on the inside. And anyway, my manboobs are big enough without the help of growth hormones.

BHF = Berry Hill Farm...our place where we grow the grass fed beef.

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it really depends on who you ask, and who is profiting from the answer. i work in natural/organic foods and the agreed upon standard is that they are in fact affecting puberty and growth rates in children. mostly it's growth hormones being used on dairy cows as well as chemical/hormonal mixtures used at every process of raising the animals (fertilizer, feed, anti-biotics, etc.), and then being passed along in milk. breast sizes are going up, average puberty ages are going down, breast cancer rates go up, allergies are more common, chemical imbalances (depression, ADHD, etc.) are all being linked to what we put into the animals we eat.

food for thought...i just wish you could get a truly unbiased study done in the states. again, it's those who profit who sponsor the tests.

but, regardless of what you believe, it's easy enough to grow some of your own food, limit your processed meat intake, buy natural and organic pasture raised meat when you can (and if it's affordable), and pay attention to the studies that do come out and follow the money trail to see who put them out and why.

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these are chemical compounds that do NOT cook out with high heat, as living bacteria do. hormone levels do not change with heat, nor disappear after death. farm vets test hormone levels to help diagnose cause of death on downed animals that have no obvious cause of death. those hormones stick around.

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If so, it should be pretty easy to prove that it went along, got ingested and did stuff to the people. Why is there nothing as yet to show a definite link?

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again, follow the money. you think huge beef and milk industry leaders want people to know this stuff? i know it sounds paranoid, i don't know if i believe it all myself, but this is america, remember, profit over people.

if you study up on this theory, you see cases of suspicion pop up all over the country and get shut down for various reasons. at the very least, there has been no money set aside for a long term study. it would destroy the dairy/meat industry, from the CEO's to the farmers, to the milk truck drivers if it was proven to be true that these hormones are affecting our children. who wants to be responsible for destroying another classic american industry???

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I agree that people will try not to publish studies that might be detrimental to them. However, I'd like to see what the organic people have done and see what the meat industry does to counter it. Somewhere there might be a middle ground.

In America or any part of the world, profit trumps people.

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Exactly Follow the Money. You would be surprise to see how money can affect us personally without us knowing.

A company like Monsanto, which owns 90% of the world’s farming seed business, have manipulated our government to allow Genetically Engineer plants (GMO – genetically modified organisms) and Bovine Growth hormone (rBST - recombinant bovine somatatropin) for Milk into the market without any thorough clinical testing.

Over 75% of our food in the Supermarket is Genetically Engineered and there are no labels for the public to know what they are purchasing. They are able to get away with this because of the concept of “principal of substantial equivalence”.

The US Food and Drug Administration takes it a step further with a policy on food that is called “Generally Recognized as Safe”. They state that there is no difference between milk from cows that have or have not been given the hormone or the plants that are Genetically Modified are the same as regular plants but have an additive that similar to food coloring.

As stated earlier all this can lead to detrimental issues to kids and adults alike.

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But so far, how much of that claim has been proven beyond reasonable doubt and not more than some allegation or something that a bunch of people just feel might be happening?

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The problem is it takes time to find out what are the health effects. We probably won't see any substantial issues until 20 years from now. Although we see some of it today, we just can link it to that because of how common GMO foods are in the food supply. They brought GMO foods to the market place so fast, that we can't even link it to the issues because the baseline "normal" foods are gone. For instance, almost every corn sold in the US is Genetically Modified. I am not talking about breeding, I am talking about actual DNA modification with a ray gun or other means. How many foods can you think of have some sort of corn products in them?

The Food and Drug Administration have taken a blind eye for not going further on clinical testing. If this was a Pharmaceutical drug, you won't see the product until almost 10 years from now.

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yes, deliveryvalve is correct. though proof through actual scientific trials in the u.s. are hard to come by, just take a look in a grocery store in western europe, let's take england for example. when you pick up a box of cereal in a grocery store in england, the manufacturer is required by law to list the ingredients that are NOT organic as well as the genetically modified ingredients too. that's just the "normal" ingredients in the u.s. and we are requried to label what IS organic and what percentage is organic as well. what we accept as everyday food is labeled in england as a safety precaution to those purchasing the product.

and companies like monsanto have the capital to slow down, disregard, stop, or otherwise put an end to a lot of the clinical trials regarding their GMO foods and homone/pesticide filled products. many of the companies i work with in the natural foods world are based out of other countries with better, cleaner, stricter laws regarding production and labeling of foods. Natures Path, Biotta, Bionaturae, Tinkyada, etc.

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OK. Does England with their labeled food have any issues that they have detected? Any mutations?

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Question for you aklim. Do you really think it's OK to eat that stuff? rBST, etc...

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I don't know. Like I said, there has been no substantial data on it at this time.

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Let me rephrase. Do you want to eat that stuff?

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