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Honus 08-02-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2260507)
...who needs race?

Plenty of people.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 07:28 PM

I think it's kinda like the Gate/Crowely thing. It could have been avoided. Why has O not shown what people are requesting? It's not complicated, and it would shut people up. Obviously he has something to hide- it may not be that the issue we are talking about. What is the down side to actually taking out the real birth certificate and saying her it is now shut up? How about his school stuff? Just get it out and say here now shut up. This is going on because 1) he has something to hide, or 2)He's an ******* who wants to piss people off, or 3) People are correct in some way. His actions are fishy in the least, as in slimy.

aklim 08-02-2009 07:31 PM

OK. Lets see what we have here. There is some doubt that Obama is born on US Soil which makes him ineligible to run for Prez. IIRC, there was a legal issue raised BEFORE he became Prez. Also, IIRC, that hurdle was cleared. SO, unless someone can prove otherwise, that judgment should stand, right? So where is the issue? I understand why there is some quarrel still. After all, even when the Supreme Court cleared Bush in 00, there were some on the other side that were upset and claimed that the election was stolen. This leads me to believe that people on BOTH sides only respect the court decisions when it suits them. That said, IF Obama runs in 12 for re-election, wouldn't that be a good time to bring it up again?

Chas H 08-02-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260579)
I think it's kinda like the Gate/Crowely thing. It could have been avoided. Why has O not shown what people are requesting? It's not complicated, and it would shut people up. Obviously he has something to hide- it may not be that the issue we are talking about. What is the down side to actually taking out the real birth certificate and saying her it is now shut up? How about his school stuff? Just get it out and say here now shut up. This is going on because 1) he has something to hide, or 2)He's an ******* who wants to piss people off, or 3) People are correct in some way. His actions are fishy in the least, as in slimy.

Obama's birth certificate has been shown to a number of people, a fact that has been posted numerous times in this thread. No one is going to show this document to you; but those who have examined it have declared it to be authentic.

aklim 08-02-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2260585)
Obama's birth certificate has been shown to a number of people, a fact that has been posted numerous times in this thread. No one is going to show this document to you; but those who have examined it have declared it to be authentic.

How is that any different from people still saying to this day that the SC stole the election? They were not happy at the results so they keep harping on that Bush was not the legitimate Prez. People on the other side of the issue are still not happy that Obama got to be the next Prez and they won't be happy either way.

Chas H 08-02-2009 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2260592)
How is that any different from people still saying to this day that the SC stole the election? They were not happy at the results so they keep harping on that Bush was not the legitimate Prez. People on the other side of the issue are still not happy that Obama got to be the next Prez and they won't be happy either way.

It completely different. In fact why not start a new thread, since you're way off topic.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2260585)
Obama's birth certificate has been shown to a number of people, a fact that has been posted numerous times in this thread. No one is going to show this document to you; but those who have examined it have declared it to be authentic.

So why did a lawsuit have to take place to "see" it? They've shown copies... but not the original. Why?

Chas H 08-02-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260601)
So why did a lawsuit have to take place to "see" it? They've shown copies... but not the original. Why?

No one has seen the document due to a law suit. Every suit filed has been thrown out. You would do yourself and the rest of us a huge favor by acquainting yourself with the facts.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2260604)
No one has seen the document due to a law suit. Every suit filed has been thrown out. You would do yourself and the rest of us a huge favor by acquainting yourself with the facts.

Yeah they've been thrown out (why the hell in the first place did the public have to use a lawsuit????)- and who in the general public has seen the actual document? Again why does he not pull it out and say here! now shut up. Would you care to address my other points? You would do all of us a favor by not being a blind follower of anything.

tbomachines 08-02-2009 09:00 PM

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I think maybe I should do this every 24 hours or something...either people are missing it or conveniently ignoring it. The Annenberg public policy office has seen the official original certified copy and confirmed it is indeed authentic as an independent nonpartisan research group.

Honus 08-02-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260579)
...it would shut people up...

That'll be the day.
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Obviously he has something to hide...
:rolleyes:
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....What is the down side to actually taking out the real birth certificate and saying her it is now shut up?...
Again?
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...His actions are fishy in the least, as in slimy.
What a ridiculous pile of crap.

Honus 08-02-2009 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260601)
So why did a lawsuit have to take place to "see" it?

It didn't have to take place.
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They've shown copies... but not the original...
False.

Honus 08-02-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines (Post 2260653)
...The Annenberg public policy office has seen the official original certified copy...

I don't think that is correct. They saw the actual original certificate. This is from their website:
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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate..."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Officials with the Hawaii vital records department also said that they saw the original.

aklim 08-02-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2260598)
It completely different. In fact why not start a new thread, since you're way off topic.

How so? Back in 00, the left didn't want to accept that Bush was the legit Prez and now in 08, the right doesn't want to accept that the BC was legit. Oh, that's right, silly me. I forgot who I was talking to and that he doesn't want to see that both sides, which includes his side, has the same silly element.

tbomachines 08-02-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 2260662)
I don't think that is correct. They saw the actual original certificate. This is from their website:Officials with the Hawaii vital records department also said that they saw the original.

Thats exactly what I meant - sorry.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 2260658)
That'll be the day.:rolleyes:Again?What a ridiculous pile of crap.

why all of this then? Why didn't he just come out like McCain did and show the stuff in public without hesitation? That's not ridiculous- that's fishy and slimy. As an attorney you obviously have a much lower view of what is fishy and slimy.

Chas H 08-02-2009 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260696)
why all of this then? Why didn't he just come out like McCain did and show the stuff in public without hesitation? That's not ridiculous- that's fishy and slimy. As an attorney you obviously have a much lower view of what is fishy and slimy.

Maybe just to wind up guys like you. No one else cares.

MTI 08-02-2009 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260696)
why all of this then? Why didn't he just come out like McCain did and show the stuff in public without hesitation? That's not ridiculous- that's fishy and slimy. As an attorney you obviously have a much lower view of what is fishy and slimy.

Simple answer, he is the President of the United States, duly elected by citizens of the US and sworn to uphold the Constitution. There's likely a list of very important things to accomplish, and attempting to satisfy the misguided beliefs of those whose real interest is not the truth, but the belief that there is some vast lie at work, probably isn't very high on the list.

Honus 08-02-2009 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260696)
...Why didn't he just come out like McCain did and show the stuff in public without hesitation?...

Why do you keep insisting that he hasn't already done that?
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...As an attorney you obviously have a much lower view of what is fishy and slimy.
Nice.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2260703)
Simple answer, he is the President of the United States, duly elected by citizens of the US and sworn to uphold the Constitution. There's likely a list of very important things to accomplish, and attempting to satisfy the misguided beliefs of those whose real interest is not the truth, but the belief that there is some vast lie at work, probably isn't very high on the list.

Oh I forgot this only started after his election. :rolleyes: Did your memory go out for lunch?

Chas H 08-02-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260716)
Oh I forgot this only started after his election. :rolleyes:

More correctly, it only started recently. Apparently Republicans have nothing left in argument to Obama's agenda.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 10:35 PM

Where are his records from Occidental College? Why did his lawyers have to bend over backwards to block people from seeing them? He was on a scholarship there, yet he only mentions his time there in his book briefly. What kind of scholarship was it, and why does the college block his records from becoming public? Again quite fishy. Why has he refused to release his transcripts from Columbia? More fishy stuff.

MTUpower 08-02-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2260718)
More correctly, it only started recently. Apparently Republicans have nothing left in argument to Obama's agenda.

Started well before the election. Perhaps you just heard of it. I guess YOU should acquaint yourself better with the facts.

Chas H 08-02-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260740)
Started well before the election. Perhaps you just heard of it. I guess YOU should acquaint yourself better with the facts.

The first rush to idiocy died out before the election. The current idiocy is rather recent, and it too is going nowhere-except in the minds of idiots.

MTI 08-03-2009 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2260716)
Oh I forgot this only started after his election. :rolleyes: Did your memory go out for lunch?

Nice.


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