Congratulations.
Got into a long debate with my neighbor who is a recovered alcoholic a couple days ago. He started talking about food addiction and sex addiction. I protested. Doesn't make sense to me to talk of food or sex addictions since they are necessary for survival. Alcohol addiction or drug addiction ok but to talk of food or sex addiction is roughly equivalent to talking of life addiction which we should all resolve by suicide.

I've been trying to get a grasp on Lacan recently. I'm sure he has some take on addictions.

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1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Thanks. The car is at my folks but I live nearby in SW Mpls. Im hoping my weekend appt. will buy the car as she is bringing cash.

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A friend is a psychotherapist. She was talking last week about how difficult it is to get some clients to pay. I asked if she’d tried using shame and before she could respond her assistant said: “That’s part of my job!” She was joking of course, but it was still funny!

You made a wise choice. Going back to school is great! Stay there as long as you can. Set your sights to earning a PhD and don’t look back. You wont regret it.

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Toyota is a leader only because their drivers block everyone behind them. Oh what a feeling.

Congrats Ted. We can have a Re-Hab GTG for the cars and their owners.

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Does a food or sex addiction increase or decrease the likelehood of survival. Obesity? STD/AIDS?

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'13 Subaru Outback 3.6R
'13 Orbea Carpe 9-speed

Currently Benzless
Formerly: 300TD, S600, E55, 560SEL

---= The forest breathes, listen.
-Native American elder

I think a person can overeat or oversex, but in my view, a true addiction only occurs if the substance/practice in question could have been completely avoided to begin with. Theoretically, sex can be avoided, but in practice that is virtually impossible for most people and food can never be avoided. So both eating and sex can be engaged in to excess, they aren't addictions. Alcohol and drugs can be completely avoided, hence they are true addictions.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

It reads like you are hinting that sex and food addictions are perhaps better described as disorders or dependences rather than as addictions. If so, while your definition of addiction is correct, it’s used too narrowly.

Addiction is commonly used in psychological contexts to describe compulsion, excessive psychological dependence, obsession, and so on...

At least that’s what I remember reading someplace…

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Toyota is a leader only because their drivers block everyone behind them. Oh what a feeling.

I agree that it's used that way but I think it is misused. I'm not even sure I'd call excessive eating or sex disorders or dependencies. They are excesses of natural goods. Alcoholism and drug dependencies are excesses of unnatural goods.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Way to go dorking up Swede's thread guys







Congrats Ted, I'd never trust a Counselor that hadn't been there/done that. Should be a very rewarding gig.

How is it misused?

Also your definition of natural and unnatural are way too narrow. Humans are part of nature so anything they do would be an extension of that nature. Some of it is pretty creepy, but it is natural.

What would you call eating or sex disorders if not addiction: Coinsures?

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Excellent. The Dude abides.

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My friend who spurred this discussion is a good example of the difference. He's an alcoholic. The cure for his addiction is complete avoidance of alcohol. That's not possible with food and close to impossible with sex. Hence I think they should be classified differently.
Disorders is fine with me. I agree that humans are natural. I prefer 'second nature' for humanly created things.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Uh oh.. maybe you can "mindfawk" Aklim?

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There's a lot of cross-addiction, so it's "easier" to work with them in a similar manner, e.g. the 12 steps.

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'13 Subaru Outback 3.6R
'13 Orbea Carpe 9-speed

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Formerly: 300TD, S600, E55, 560SEL

---= The forest breathes, listen.
-Native American elder