Comrade Chris Matthew's Hero!
 

A couple weeks ago according to Comrade Chris the US Military Academy at West Point was the "enemy camp", then about ten days ago while commiserating with fellow travelers Salon.com’s Joan Walsh and AOL PoliticsDaily.com/ NYTimes/Huffingtonpost.com’s Melinda Henneberger; he removes all doubt when he states “It`s complicated when liberals get to keep score. We`re always arguing. Well, I`m a liberal, too. You are watching HARDBALL, only on MSNBC. “

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=GdaGZu2GZu


Then this evenings broadcast while Comrade Chris and Comrade Bernie Sanders (I) VT.
waxes on poetically with Bernie about their heroes from the past:

“Well, to reach back to one of our heroes from the past, from the 60’s, Saul Alinsky once said that even though both sides have flaws in their arguments and you can always find something nuanced about your own side you don’t like and its never perfect you have to act in the end like there is simple black and white clarity between your side and the other side or you don’t get anything done. I always try to remind myself of Saul Alinsky when I get confused. But congratulations to you sir, you weren’t confused in these last couple days”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCryNzrcxWY

Later in this same broadcast Comrade Chris claims “the Party of Lincoln has become the party of the confederacy"

Matthews: Are you building the right kind of Republican Party, or are you building a party off of the discards of the Democrats, are you gonna keep building your party with dixiecrats, ex-Democrats who think the Democratic Party is too mainstream, that's how you've been doing it since the 60s, Since the 60s, you've built a political party, the Party of Lincoln has become the party of I don’t know, probably the party of the confederacy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FncgGJoy4H8

What's your problem? You don't appear to be a conservative, what do you have against liberals?

I also don't understand your point. Are you disagreeing with something they said or just pointing out the fact that they are liberals?

Re: people that see, (and label) "Communists" everywhere
 

Joe Mc Carthy died in 1957, but I see his spirit lives on, evidently.

The boobermint sucks. :D

Liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them.
L. Bruce

Good ol' Joe is why we got into Viet Nam. His righthand man was RM Nixon. Poetic justice at its best.

all this while the congress of the united states has an approval rating LOWER than the unabomber

Can you break those %s down between the 2 parties for us?

Are there still two parties?

Y you confused about 12 %

and he the unabomber is like 30 yea baby more war craft games for the kids

yep. The party of the confederacy and the other one.

The lack of change from last month among Americans overall masks slight shifts by party. Approval among Democrats edged downward five percentage points, from 47% to 42% -- while approval among independents edged upward by the same amount, from 14% to 19%. Republicans' approval is statistically steady this month, at 15%.

That's funny. It's also funny that we are now refighting the civil war. :D

uh, i figure "comrade chris" makes at least a million (conservative estimate) bucks a year. i doubt he is fomenting violent revolution to overthrow the government of the united states - then he might lose all his goodies. perhaps you might consider two things:

1) he's in the entertainment/news business, and knows what the majority (that would be the poor) are thinking and saying (basically: "help") and is smart enough to see the writing on the wall?

2) perhaps he doesn't sleep well - even tho he's quite comfortable - knowing that a very few people in this country control most of the wealth (either thru inheritance, skill and luck, or maybe skullduggery) and that the majority of the population is hurting. i think we call that, say, a conscience? empathy?
i.e. i can't really enjoy my filet mignon knowing others would be happy just to have a lousy hamburger?

or not :D

I thought Matthews was just observing that the republican party has been hyjacked by crazies in recent years. I have no idea what billybob is trying to say.

in a related story Sean Hannity is a conservative talk show host....

No Conservative Media Coverage? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXuS8goR2NY

and there's always glenn beck. (rumor has it he's a tad conservative)

(of course there's still that ugly rumor, that he refuses to deny...)

(and his shilling for gold vendors....)

Put some A1 steak sauce on it.;)

The thing that people forget about ole Joe is that he was factually right. The US State Dept had been infiltrated by Communist agents. After the fall of the USSR, a lot of "secret" stuff came to light that verified much of Joe's charges.
His manner was poor, and he looked bad on TV, and as noted above liberals DO keep score, and eventually settle accounts.

We need to boycott all these noodniks on the left and right, and replace them with something better, like a Cable version of the Peach Parts forum :D:D:D:D

More hyperbole from the type of people who have a hard time reading a birth certificate, everyone who doesn't think like them is a Communist Marxist Nazi Fascist. Sieg Hiel, the Workers of the World unite!

I don't listen to Chris Mathews, because I don't agree with him. I know many people don't listen to Rush for the same reason... (I don't listent to Rush ether, for the record) But being in a free country we have the freedom to put down the remote, turn off the radio and go out side if we wish.

I'm glad Chris is saying what hes saying... hes coming out and talking for the people of the left the same way Rush has been doing for the last 20 years for the people of the right. its only fair.

Maybe now we can settle political debates by putting Chris and Rush in a kiddy pool of green jello and letting them fight it out...:pukeface::puke::repuke:

Sounds like some kind of kinky gay porn.

Sounds like business as usual in Washington
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“More Hyperbole”?

Quoting an admitted and known Infatuated Obamunist Leg Tingled Sympathizer’s own on air statements is hyperbole? Or using the apropos moniker “Comrade”?

"Uttering lines that send liberals into paroxysms of rage, otherwise known as 'citing facts, ' is the spice of life." A. C.

Speaking for myself only, I have no idea what your point is.

Ann Coulter. really? Your quoting her now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWo5IiyxfuE

Don't sweep, under the carpet, that he was mostly wrong. The end justifying the means historical view overlooks the depth and breadth of the damage done by the junior senator from Wisconsin.

I was attempting to balance the portrait of the Senator. Too often people skewer him and laugh at his charges. Skewer him for his tactics, if you will, but the evidence from the former USSR proves that he was more correct than in error.

something like this ????????????? is that a terrorist or WHAT

This is from "Conservapedia" . . . which one would assume would attempt to put the senator in the best possible light, but I could be in error about that.

Recent scholaship has established of 159 persons investigated between 1950 and 1952, there is substantial evidence nine had assisted Soviet espionage using evidence from Venona or other sources. Of the remainder, while not being directly complict in espionage, many were considered security risks.


9 out of 159 . . . do the math . . . when did barely 6% become greater than 50%?

One positive about Joe Mc Carthy is that he set a significant negative example for those who would be inclined to abuse their power now. I'm sure there are a few senators who would be inclined to use similar tactics today if they weren't concerned about ending up as a punch line. Whenever there is a boggy man, someone will try to use it as an excuse to increase their power.

You didn't hear it from me, but I understand from reliable sources that there are homosexuals, fornicators and . . . rascals of all sorts . . . at the highest levels of Congress . . . ;)

I'm shocked, shocked I say...

Actually, I was thinking more in terms of the "patriot act" type abuse of power; terrorists (real and imagined) being the current boggy man.

For someone who in the past has cried “selectively quoting” sources:

In addition to some of the person involved in espionage identified in the Venona project listed above, there are other security and loyalty risks identified correctly by Senator McCarthy included in the following list:
• Robert Warren Barnett & Mrs. Robert Warren Barnett, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #48 and #49 respectively and both are on Lee list as #59;[42]
• Esther Brunauer, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #47 and Lee list #55;[43]
• Stephen Brunauer, U.S. Navy, chemist in the explosive research division;[44]
• Gertrude Cameron, Information and Editorial Specialist in the U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #55 and Lee list #65;[45][46]
• Nelson Chipchin, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's list #23;[47]
• Oliver Edmund Clubb, U.S. State Department;[48]
• John Paton Davies, U.S. State Department, Policy Planning Committee;[49]
• Gustavo Duran, U.S. State Department, assistant to the Assistant Secretary of State in charge of Latin American Affairs, and Chief of the Cultural Activities Section of the Department of Social Affairs of the United Nations;[50]
• Arpad Erdos, U.S. State Department;[51]
• Herbert Fierst, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's case #1 and Lee list #51;[52][53][54]
• John Tipton Fishburn, U.S. State Department; Lee list #106;[55]
• Theodore Geiger, U.S. State Department;[56]
• Stella Gordon, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #40 and Lee list #45[57]
• Stanley Graze, U.S. State Department intelligence; McCarthy's Case #8 and Lee list #8, brother of Gerald Graze, confirmed in KGB Archives;[58]
• Ruth Marcia Harrison, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #7 and Lee list #4;[59]
• Myron Victor Hunt, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #65 and Lee list #79;[60]
• Philip Jessup, U.S. State Department, Assistant Director for the Naval School of Military Government and Administration at Columbia University in New York, Delegate to the U.N. in a number of different capacities, Ambassador-at-large, and Chairman of the Institute of Pacific Relations Research Advisory Committee; McCarthy's Case #15;[61]
• Dorothy Kenyon, New York City Municipal Court Judge, U.S. State Department appointee as American Delegate to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women;[62]
• Leon Hirsch Keyserling, President Harry Truman's Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers;[63]
• Mary Dublin Keyserling, U.S. Department of Commerce;[64]
• Esther Less Kopelewich, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #24;[65]
• Owen Lattimore, Board member of the communist-dominated Institute of Pacific Relations (I.P.R) and editor the I.P.R.’s journal Pacific Affairs;[66]
• Paul A. Lifantieff-Lee, U.S. Naval Department; McCarthy's Case #56 and Lee list #66;[67]
• Val R. Lorwin, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #54 and Lee list #64;[68]
• Daniel F. Margolies, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #41 and Lee list #46;[69] [70]
• Peveril Meigs, U.S. State Department; Department of the Army; McCarthy's Case #3 and Lee list #2;[71]
• Ella M. Montague, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #34 and Lee list #32;[72]
• Philleo Nash, Presidential Advisor, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman administrations;[73][74][75]
• Olga V. Osnatch, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #81 and Lee list #78;[76]
• Edward Posniak, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case Number 77;[77]
• Philip Raine, U.S. State Department, Regional Specialist; McCarthy's Case #52 and Lee list #62;[78][79][80][81]
• Robert Ross, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #32 and Lee list #30;[82]
• Sylvia Schimmel, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #50 and Lee list #60;[83][84][85][86]
• Frederick Schumann, contracted by U.S. State Department as lecturer; Professor at Williams College; not on Lee list;[87]
• John S. Service, U.S. State Department;[88]
• Harlow Shapley, U.S. State Department appointee to UNESCO, Chairman of the National Council of Arts, Sciences, and Professions;[89]
• William T. Stone, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #46 and Lee list #54;[90]
• Frances M. Tuchser, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #6 and Lee list #6;[91]
• John Carter Vincent, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #2 and Lee list #52;[92]
• David Zablodowsky, U.S. State Department & Director of the United Nations Publishing Division. McCarthy's Case #103;[93]


Was the claim that 159 people “investigated” where assisting in espionage or that they where a security risks?

Here is the Conservapedia Link

From that entry, here's a link to another study about McCarthy's list and the information gleaned from Venona: http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page62.html

McCarthy's "Lists" seem to grow and shorten depending on when and whom he was addressing. Regardless, what is your reckoning and factoring of the percentage?

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LOL. Ann Coulter without her make-up.

WTF is a "security and loyalty risk" supposed to be, please?

McCarthy's implication was that the Democrats knew about such spies and allowed it without reservation, I believe.

the people actually found to be engaged in espionage were employees of the government, right? Not elected officials.

I don't understand why anybody ever thought that spies were a political issue.....you know, Republicans or Democrats.....as if Democrats were somehow encouraging the Commie spies.

Time for a history lesson: Kennedy got us in, Johnson got us in BIGGER and Nixon got us out.

If you think Nazism, Communism and Marxism are the same, you need to go back to school.

Perhaps the reference was to the "Red Scare" that was being fostered in the 50's and 60's. Eisenhower was notably dubious about "a land war in Asia" in light of the experiences of the Korean Conflict.

As for Nixon getting us out . . . let's just say it wasn't for lack of trying to keep us in and expanding the battlefields.

Spin it any way you want. Fact is, the Vietnam war went from a minor skirmish to half a million troops under LBJ (D). It got smaller under Nixxon (R), and ended under Ford (R).

Yes, Kennedy sent advisors, in the early sixties.

Johnson was pres from 64 to 68 and did expand the war significantly, and under pressure from Bobby Kennedy among others who represented people who did not want to continue the war bowed out of the 68 presidential race.

bobby was on the way to winnning the democratic nomination when he was assassinated.

Nixon was elected on the bogus premise that he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam that was secret.

His secret was turned out to be to expand the war by bombing cambodia etc. He was pres and re elected in 72 only after George Wallace was assassinated (unsuccessfully) and taken out of the race.

We finally pulled out of Vietnam in I believe 73 and he resigned in disgrace in I believe 74, so to lay the war on anybody other than Nixon seems a little lame since he presided over six years of it, a year more than Johnson after being elected on the secret plan to get us out of it.

http://www.lib.iastate.edu/spcl/exhi...mNixonMap1.jpg

I don't believe the President is pointing out his favorite place to get coconut shrimps . . .

And There Was the Issue of the Operational Coverup . . .

Did it get smaller under Nixxon or not? It's a simple question.....

IMO, both LBJ and Nixon get to share the blame for that fiasco. Neither was willing to cut their losses and get out when it was clearly a lost cause. Both thought they could "win" if they threw enough troops at the problem. At least Nixon decided to pull the plug prior to resigning.

Revisionist liberal pretzel logic! If it only was the way I want to remember it now!

LBJ took the US involvement from an advisory role and committed US ground combat eventually to over 500,000 troops after using the incident on August 2, 1964 and August 4, 1964 in the Gulf Of Tonkin with the USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy to persuade Congress to pass the Southeast Asia Resolution, Public Law 88-408, commonly refered to as the Tonkin Gulf Resolution on August 7, 1964. LBJ ordered and began the bombing of Laos in 1964

"Within hours, President Johnson ordered the launching of retaliatory air strikes (Operation Pierce Arrow) on the bases of the North Vietnamese boats and announced, in a television address to the American public that same evening, that U.S. naval forces had been attacked. Johnson requested approval of a resolution "expressing the unity and determination of the United States in supporting freedom and in protecting peace in southeast Asia". He said that the resolution should express support "for all necessary action to protect our Armed Forces"– but repeated previous assurances that "the United States... seeks no wider war". As the nation entered the final three months of political campaigning for the 1964 elections (in which Johnson was standing for election), the president contended that the resolution would help "hostile nations... understand" that the United States was unified in its determination "to continue to protect its national interests."["

Nixon's policy of "Vietnamization" began in early 1969 and was characterised by disengagement and withdrawal of US troops and the accelerated training and arming of the ARVN. On August 12, 1972 the last American ground combat division left the country. On January 15, 1973, citing progress in peace negotiations, Nixon announced the suspension of all offensive actions against North Vietnam, to be followed by a unilateral withdrawal of all U.S. troops. The Paris Peace Accords on "Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam" were signed on January 27, officially ending direct U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

In fact it was that other Nobel Peace Prize winning democrat US President Woodrow Wilson; who when, Ho Chi Min under the name of Nguyễn Ái Quốc (Nguyen the Patriot), he petitioned for recognition of the civil rights of the Vietnamese people in French Indochina to the Western powers at the Versailles peace talks, but was ignored. Citing the language and the spirit of the U.S. Declaration of Independence, Quốc petitioned U.S. President Woodrow Wilson for help to remove the French from Vietnam and replace it with a new, nationalist government. His request was ignored.