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Graplr 03-09-2010 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2421836)
Correct. Gear shift was vacuum operated. Hudson used the same thing in the late 30's as an option but you still had the floor shift if it failed (UNLIKE the Cord). The Body is the same as a Hupp or Graham used in 1940 41.
When I was talking to my realtor (who is a 50ish single woman that drives a new Mercedes) I told her I would take pictures and ask you guys about it. I knew some would know about it.

Thanks for the info! Now, if I could just find out if it is authentic or a replica.

daveuz 03-09-2010 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 2421840)
When I was talking to my realtor (who is a 50ish single woman that drives a new Mercedes) I told her I would take pictures and ask you guys about it. I knew some would know about it.

Thanks for the info! Now, if I could just find out if it is authentic or a replica.
I believe all Replicas are Convertibles..

Txjake 03-09-2010 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 2421840)
When I was talking to my realtor (who is a 50ish single woman that drives a new Mercedes) I told her I would take pictures and ask you guys about it. I knew some would know about it.

Thanks for the info! Now, if I could just find out if it is authentic or a replica.
go back and pop the hood: that will most likely tell you for certain. It looks real from the pics...but if that Lycoming V8 is under there with the pull through supercharger and the pipes are real, then you have a real find...sedan or not...

daveuz 03-09-2010 01:30 PM
1937 was the only year they were supercharged. Out of about 2000 made in 37 about 600 were SC'ed. 2 Different wheelbases on the Sedans Beverly which is shorter Westchester is Longer. One has a Hump trunk and one does not.

daveuz 03-09-2010 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2421836)
Correct. Gear shift was vacuum operated. Hudson used the same thing in the late 30's as an option but you still had the floor shift if it failed (UNLIKE the Cord). The Body is the same as a Hupp or Graham used in 1940 41.
Correction. Gear shift was electric

daveuz 03-09-2010 02:06 PM
http://autoshow.autos.msn.com/autoshow/pebblebeach2007/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5193457

Hatterasguy 03-09-2010 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 2421835)
It appears from the reading that the exhaust pipes out the side indicate that it is indeed supercharged (of course assuming that it is real).
No, not always. Jay Leno's has the pipes out the side and is not supercharged.


http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/clips/1937-cord-812-westchester/1075799/

Cool cars, no idea what they are worth.

They are FWD and use a pre selector transmission. IE you select which gear you want to go into next and when you press the clutch it shifts.

Txjake 03-09-2010 02:18 PM
:D Cool

75Sv1 03-09-2010 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe (Post 2421793)
Pefect-perfect low-mileage automotive collectables are still getting the top, pre-2006 recession dollars - there are just fewer buyers, and the buyers are extremely circumspect. That one is definitely not perfect-perfect. The lights are jury-rigged and there's rust on the front bumper - and that's just for starters. Fender-kicking is alive and well in the collectables field. It might still be worth the big bucks though, not saying it isn't.
I run into the same thing on some machinery sales. Mainly South Bend lathes. If they are in perfect condition, they bring some money. At least for the size of machinery they are. I also remeber the early t o mid 80's on collector guns. A lot of Winchester .22 and others were fetching some high dollars. They about doubled over night. The high dollar guns were out of most price range, so other gun became collectable. Guns came out of the wood work, then the prices crashed. I think this happened latter in the 80's with Jaguar XKEs. Jag won the GPX Championship and Lemanns I think. The prices doubled and trippled if not more. People pull cars from who knows where. I think the prices dropped a bit. I heard a lot of auction places turned down showing them. There were just to many on the market and it hurt the prices.
Tom

Graplr 03-09-2010 02:22 PM
That story on MSN is taken from the website Txjake posted (Josh Maulk's).

TylerH860 03-09-2010 03:17 PM
Here's a sedan for sale:

http://www.collectorcarsforsale.com/classic-cars-for-sale/l0509.html

Too bad its not a convertible:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=697&aid=48&pop=1

Either way, dream on with negotiating it into the contract if its the real deal. No doubt she has a relative that can use google.

Graplr 03-09-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerH860 (Post 2421982)
Here's a sedan for sale:
I saw that one. I don't think this car is in as good as shape and from what I can tell that Cord has been for sale for quite some time so it is probably overpriced. I would think 30-50k for this car is more realistic at this point. But then again, I didn't even know what kind of car it was last night! I have been nonstop reading about them today. Very intersting history.

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Originally Posted by TylerH860 (Post 2421982)
Either way, dream on with negotiating it into the contract if its the real deal. No doubt she has a relative that can use google.

Probably, but it doesn't hurt to ask. There is a chance she is just wanting to move on and doesn't want to deal with the stuff she left behind. Much of the stuff is already out of the home (Beds, TVs, formal dining table, etc) so she may have taken everything she wants already. If I don't ask I will kick myself forever wondering what if. At least if I ask I won't have to wonder "what if" the rest of my life.

You know TheDon's story about how he acquired his latest car, so it does happen. I'm not expecting to get the Cord and in fact I only came up with the idea because I thought about asking for the plow truck to be included as I would most likely buy one anyways with the long driveway and figured they would get rid of it anyways. Then I thought, "Hey, what about asking for both cars?" You never know. The one thing I do know is if I don't ask there is a 0% chance I will get the car.

Skid Row Joe 03-09-2010 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 2421838)
Yes, I may just come up with my number that I want to pay for the house itself and then include the cars and tools on top of that and see what she says. Worst case scenario we find out what she is willing to part with as a part of the deal and I come back with an offer for just the house.
Excellent initial strategy - make an offer quickly to start feeling them out. Move on this while there is snow up to yer ying-yang in Minnesota.

DO NOT, under any circumstances give more than a 36 hour expiration window on ANY offer. I prefer a 24 hour window - ideally.

Remember the urgency factor - push the real estate agent(s) - tell them you want to get an offer accepted before your wife changes her mind - pawning the power off to your wife is a strategy in itself. Remember - if you snooze, you lose.

BTW, FWIW - get the S10 thrown-in too. It could come in handy for pushing the driveway snow for your use too - and it's already equipped with the blade.lights!

If I may ask - in general, what part of MN is the home/estate in?
If Minneapolis - an old established part?

Just curious......my people were from MN (Minneapolis and Sleepy Eye, MN) before they moved to Omaha, NE to set down roots.

Txjake 03-09-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 2422000)
I saw that one. I don't think this car is in as good as shape and from what I can tell that Cord has been for sale for quite some time so it is probably overpriced. I would think 30-50k for this car is more realistic at this point. But then again, I didn't even know what kind of car it was last night! I have been nonstop reading about them today. Very intersting history.




Probably, but it doesn't hurt to ask. There is a chance she is just wanting to move on and doesn't want to deal with the stuff she left behind. Much of the stuff is already out of the home (Beds, TVs, formal dining table, etc) so she may have taken everything she wants already. If I don't ask I will kick myself forever wondering what if. At least if I ask I won't have to wonder "what if" the rest of my life.

You know TheDon's story about how he acquired his latest car, so it does happen. I'm not expecting to get the Cord and in fact I only came up with the idea because I thought about asking for the plow truck to be included as I would most likely buy one anyways with the long driveway and figured they would get rid of it anyways. Then I thought, "Hey, what about asking for both cars?" You never know. The one thing I do know is if I don't ask there is a 0% chance I will get the car.
NEVER hurts to ask. I have gotten several cars and trucks, tractors and machinery when buying homes, simply by asking. There is always wiggle room and negotiation....better to ask and be told no, than to see it sold out from under you...

Skid Row Joe 03-09-2010 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 75Sv1 (Post 2421906)
I run into the same thing on some machinery sales. Mainly South Bend lathes. If they are in perfect condition, they bring some money. At least for the size of machinery they are. I also remeber the early t o mid 80's on collector guns. A lot of Winchester .22 and others were fetching some high dollars. They about doubled over night. The high dollar guns were out of most price range, so other gun became collectable. Guns came out of the wood work, then the prices crashed. I think this happened latter in the 80's with Jaguar XKEs. Jag won the GPX Championship and Lemanns I think. The prices doubled and trippled if not more. People pull cars from who knows where. I think the prices dropped a bit. I heard a lot of auction places turned down showing them. There were just to many on the market and it hurt the prices.
Tom
^^^ A buddy of mine found a near perfect-perfect 6-cylinder, Jaguar XKE convertible - silver/black leather/wire wheels with knock-offs - 35K miles, in the mid-'70s he paid $1,500 for.

He told me for years how much he could get for it - the wild tales got bigger and bigger on what it would bring. I suggested that he sell it, and put the money maybe $75K, in Berkshire-Hathaway stock - which now would be worth a couple million dollars. He didn't, and I doubt whether he could get more than $35K for it today.

If you are selling low, low mileage anything - in perfect-perfect condition - you will find a buyer. When a guy represents something as mint-condition, and you arrive to find it in only "good" condition - it ain't gonna garner hardly jack-squat.


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