These runaway Toyotas - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Fitz · #31 03-09-2010, 02:45 PM

http://toyotasimulator.com/

aklim · #32 03-09-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

true, but it seems like folks are either not doing that, or it is not working. a simple pull out buss that kills the power to all the systems would be a cheap and simple fix. THEN of course, you have to get people to know what to do.....

Well, if it is too simple, the problem now becomes "What happens if I knock that off in the middle of a complicated maneuver?". If it is too difficult like the 5 second hold on the start button, the guy cannot do it. So, problem is the nut behind the wheel that is incapable. Nothing you do except removal of said nut will work.

WVOtoGO · #33 03-09-2010, 02:47 PM

Bingo, Tyler.

I’m not sure if that’s sad as hell, or scary as hell.

Perhaps both.

Txjake · #34 03-09-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerH860

Since a good chunk of people can't even name their own state capitol or current Vice President, its not too much of a stretch to think that many Toyota drivers don't know how to shut the car off in an emergency.

I bet if you asked Toyota driver's how many cylinders their car has, the majority wouldn't know. The results would probably be worse for Kia and Hyundai drivers.

thats what happens when cars become appliances....

aklim · #35 03-09-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

I don’t care how old they are. If they can’t grasp the "push and hold a button for 5 seconds " procedure, then they shouldn’t be driving anything. No matter how old school it’s systems are.

I agree 100%. AARP will not though. AARP will want them behind the wheel even if they are legally blind if it could get away with it.

Txjake · #36 03-09-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I agree 100%. AARP will not though. AARP will want them behind the wheel even if they are legally blind if it could get away with it.

thats why we have medical exams for pilots...not everyone should fly, or drive....

aklim · #37 03-09-2010, 02:52 PM

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thats why we have medical exams for pilots...not everyone should fly, or drive....

As I said, AARP will not see it that way. They look at it from the standpoint that you are taking away the poor old geezer's freedom.

Txjake · #38 03-09-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

As I said, AARP will not see it that way. They look at it from the standpoint that you are taking away the poor old geezer's freedom.

oops, too bad. his freedom ends where my driving space and safety begin...

PaulC · #39 03-09-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

I don’t care how old they are. If they can’t grasp the "push and hold a button for 5 seconds " procedure, then they shouldn’t be driving anything. No matter how old school it’s systems are.

Just realize that the "push and hold a button for 5 seconds" procedure is not used in everyday driving, but is a mode unique to attempting to turn off the engine while the car is moving (with the longer duration of the press compared to turning the engine off while in "Park" a characteristic added as a "safety" feature), thus a driver who may not have studied the fine print on page 435 of the owner's manual may have overlooked it.

aklim · #40 03-09-2010, 02:55 PM

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oops, too bad. his freedom ends where my driving space and safety begin...

Problem is the old folks are considered a very powerful voting block and they'll be damned if your rights will block their getting around whether they are blind, crippled or crazy or all 3.

Txjake · #41 03-09-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Just realize that the "push and hold a button for 5 seconds" procedure is not used in everyday driving, but is a mode unique to attempting to turn off the engine while the car is moving (with the longer duration of the press compared to turning the engine off while in "Park" a characteristic added as a "safety" feature), thus a driver who may not have studied the fine print on page 435 of the owner's manual may have overlooked it.

thats why a big, easily recognized buss switch that turns off all power inputs and ecu output would be nice. perhaps with a placard that says "Kill Switch"

PaulC · #42 03-09-2010, 03:00 PM

There is one possible cure to the unfamiliar controls issue, but be prepared to dig down deep to pay for it: Everytime you buy a new car, you have 30 days to undergo a form of state-administered driving test to demonstrate that you know how to perform certain tasks and properly operate certain controls, such as lights, wipers, defrosters, etc. In the alternative, standardize the location, shape and operation of driving controls so rigidly that the controls on a $100K S550 look and act just like the controls found on the cheapest Kia.

TylerH860 · #43 03-09-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Problem is the old folks are considered a very powerful voting block and they'll be damned if your rights will block their getting around whether they are blind, crippled or crazy or all 3.

At least they're always well insured.

Hormonal women and texting teens can be just as dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUUH-YL_LOM

PaulC · #44 03-09-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

thats why a big, easily recognized buss switch that turns off all power inputs and ecu output would be nice. perhaps with a placard that says "Kill Switch"

Just keep the electric power steering and brake boosters enabled, so Grandma has a fighting chance to steer and stop her car on the shoulder.