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JollyRoger · #16 05-05-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

nobody said anything about the first amendment.

this is about talking heads serving up their version of the "facts" to a willing and gullible public willing to buy everything that comes from the mouths of CNN, MSNBC, Fox, local affiliates and all the rest.

a friend of mine is in the United States Navy and was aboard a ship that was part of a fleet involved in the Bosnian/Serbian conflict. aboard his ship was a CNN news correspondent. when he and the crew arrived back in the United States, they were excited to view the CNN news story.

only there was a problem, the CNN news story was WAY off base and did not accurately reflect what had happened. apparently, the CNN story was so far off, the commander of the United States Naval Fleet requested that CNN never be allowed on their ships ever again.

the news boys twist the facts to fit their version of the so-called "truth". has nothing to do with the first amendment, it has everything to do with accurate news reporting, something which over time, has gone the way of the pony express.

We have a free press. A lot of them suck. Those are the breaks.

cmac2012 · #17 05-05-2010, 02:00 PM

It's a tough one. Hoping that newscasters would limit the info they let out would only be effective until some rival network sees a vacuum and moves into to claim some territory.

And I can only imagine that any would be bomber of similar ilk is going to take note of his failure and look to learn where he went wrong somehow.

What worries me is the reality that plenty of Muslims, Pakistanis, you name it are going to feel that bombing Americans is in the 'turn about is fair play' category owing to our drone missile attacks that frequently kill innocent civilians.

We can rationalize all we want about why it's necessary, etc. but the average visceral response of them loosely lumped in the 'other camp' is not going to buy it.

The Hydra headed beast.

The more you stir the water, the muddier it gets. - Lao Tzu

okyoureabeast · #18 05-05-2010, 02:12 PM

Mainstream American media isn't reliable journalism. This includes CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.

If you want reliable news go to NPR, PBS, BBC, or the handful of wire services.

On the flipside, reporting on how the bomb makers screwed up won't help them later on. They already know how they ffed up. Telling our news services to hush hush on the details is pointless.

There are gag orders for a reason. If the government really feels that there is some uber sensitive information that shouldn't be released than they'll lock it up, but they better have a good reason for it.

Hatterasguy · #19 05-05-2010, 02:23 PM

The daily show is a better source for news than most of the big networks.

aklim · #20 05-05-2010, 02:53 PM

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the picture brings to mind Aklim's comment: "The Bigger the Smile, the sharper the knife".

he showed the student audience images of PET scans of the brain while listening to an audio source. the brain was lit up like a LIGHT BULB. then, he showed an image of the brain while viewing television. I"ll never forget it. the brain literally SHUTS DOWN. cold, out of commission, as in "We've powered down the brain and the television is now controlling us".

Actually, that is from Star Trek, mostly DS9. The Rules of Acquisition. #48 to be specific.

I am not sure how a brain can shut down completely. I did try to google it and got THIS link. What was he watching that can shut down a brain cold? It should still be active. It might be more or less active depending on the interest level but completely down?

The Triangle skill has also been suggestively linked to a particular region of the human brain. In a study conducted by Andrew Whiten and colleagues at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, a person's brain is scanned using fMRI. When the human subject and an animated character on a TV screen are both looking at the same moving object, a small area in the human's brain—located an inch behind the middle of forehead—is highly active. But when the person and cartoon character are looking in separate directions, this brain region is much less active. In a separate study by other researchers, this same brain region is more active when a person is watching two cartoon characters collaborating on a joint project compared to when the characters are working independently.

cmac2012 · #21 05-05-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by okyoureabeast

On the flipside, reporting on how the bomb makers screwed up won't help them later on. They already know how they ffed up. Telling our news services to hush hush on the details is pointless.

There are gag orders for a reason. If the government really feels that there is some uber sensitive information that shouldn't be released than they'll lock it up, but they better have a good reason for it.

You're right of course. It wouldn't take much internet searching to learn what sort of fertizlizer was used in the OK City bomb and how. This guy was, thankfully, a near moron. Judging by the effectiveness of IEDs in Iraq and Afg., these guys are get training in these things on the cheap, and the success ratio is likely to rise in attacks in and on the US.

HuskyMan · #22 05-05-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Actually, that is from Star Trek, mostly DS9. The Rules of Acquisition. #48 to be specific.

I am not sure how a brain can shut down completely. I did try to google it and got THIS link. What was he watching that can shut down a brain cold? It should still be active. It might be more or less active depending on the interest level but completely down?

The Triangle skill has also been suggestively linked to a particular region of the human brain. In a study conducted by Andrew Whiten and colleagues at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, a person's brain is scanned using fMRI. When the human subject and an animated character on a TV screen are both looking at the same moving object, a small area in the human's brain—located an inch behind the middle of forehead—is highly active. But when the person and cartoon character are looking in separate directions, this brain region is much less active. In a separate study by other researchers, this same brain region is more active when a person is watching two cartoon characters collaborating on a joint project compared to when the characters are working independently.

OK, thanks for revealing the bigger the smile, sharper the knife source.

concerning the inventor of the PET scan's experiments, it has been a while since I viewed the show. I'll have to dig around and see if I can find it since I recorded it and watch it again. If I remember correctly, it showed a PET scan when someone was watching television. not just any video, but specifically, TV.

I was talking with a friend of mine last week who said that when his girl friend is watching television, he can take his hand and place it in front of the television and she just sits there like a zombie. she doesn't even notice that he is blocking her view. and she is a college graduate, no less. I'm convinced the television literally places people in some kind of a hypnotic state.

TV may be the world's best mind control device. this may explain why preachers and politicians use it to their full advantage.

aklim · #23 05-05-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

concerning the inventor of the PET scan's experiments, it has been a while since I viewed the show. I'll have to dig around and see if I can find it since I recorded it and watch it again. If I remember correctly, it showed a PET scan when someone was watching television. not just any video, but specifically, TV.

I was talking with a friend of mine last week who said that when his girl friend is watching television, he can take his hand and place it in front of the television and she just sits there like a zombie. she doesn't even notice that he is blocking her view. and she is a college graduate, no less. I'm convinced the television literally places people in some kind of a hypnotic state.

TV may be the world's best mind control device. this may explain why preachers and politicians use it to their full advantage.

I'm not sure what the difference would be between a video and TV. All of TV is video and sound

IF that were true, we'd be dead since you'd never be able to get up from your trance. I have watched a lot of TV and watched people watching TV but none of them have been in any sort of trance state you talk about. Even in a trance state, I would think that there is some brain activity.

tbomachines · #24 05-05-2010, 05:11 PM

My biggest concern with the whole "here's how to do it" thing is that some whacko (regardless race/ethnicity) is going to say "that is an embarassment" and think they need to prove that we need to fear something again. The taliban, after "taking responsibility" must be a bit red-cheeked after hearing literally every news outlet in America talk about how poorly the bomb was constructed. Of course you can google how to make bombs...but I'm more concerned that they are going to send over someone to "do it right" and then claim responsibility yet again. I'm not trying to fear-mongor, but thats really my only concern with this whole fiasco. In all, we should just be more aware of things, and kudos to the guy who called the cops with a keen eye.

HuskyMan · #25 05-05-2010, 05:19 PM

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I'm not sure what the difference would be between a video and TV. All of TV is video and sound

IF that were true, we'd be dead since you'd never be able to get up from your trance. I have watched a lot of TV and watched people watching TV but none of them have been in any sort of trance state you talk about. Even in a trance state, I would think that there is some brain activity.

well......I've seen people yell at the television when their particular sports team loses a play. I've known people that reach into a cookie jar and retrieve money they were saving and send it to a television preacher. I've witnessed people dial an 800 number to vote for America's Idol. QVC sells over two billion dollars worth of merchandise ANNUALLY to lonely house wives who have nothing better to do than reply to "Operators are standing by" sales messages. if that isn't control of the masses, I don't know what is.

JollyRoger · #26 05-05-2010, 05:35 PM

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The daily show is a better source for news than most of the big networks.

I prefer:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/supreme-court-upholds-freedom-of-speech-in-obsceni,17372/

aklim · #27 05-05-2010, 06:08 PM

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well......I've seen people yell at the television when their particular sports team loses a play. I've known people that reach into a cookie jar and retrieve money they were saving and send it to a television preacher. I've witnessed people dial an 800 number to vote for America's Idol. QVC sells over two billion dollars worth of merchandise ANNUALLY to lonely house wives who have nothing better to do than reply to "Operators are standing by" sales messages. if that isn't control of the masses, I don't know what is.

Never see people yell at their team before at a stadium? Not like it will affect anything but they do it. I have also seen people give big bucks to their preacher at a church. People do stupid things irrespective of whether the TV is there or not.

HuskyMan · #28 05-05-2010, 10:02 PM

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Never see people yell at their team before at a stadium? Not like it will affect anything but they do it. I have also seen people give big bucks to their preacher at a church. People do stupid things irrespective of whether the TV is there or not.

yes, but with today's computer animation capabilities, it is possible to fake almost anything on television. even a news anchor could be a computer simulation and no one would know. we 'assume' everything shown on television is 'real'. when we turn on the television, we step into the world of the surreal.

aklim · #29 05-05-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

yes, but with today's computer animation capabilities, it is possible to fake almost anything on television. even a news anchor could be a computer simulation and no one would know. we 'assume' everything shown on television is 'real'. when we turn on the television, we step into the world of the surreal.

Almost sounds like a conspiracy theorist pitch. Yes, it is possible, I agree but I have yet to see a proven case, let alone a widespread problem of them faking something like that. IF you want to argue with me and say that they present it the way they want, I would agree with you. OTOH, outright creation of news, I have yet to see anything concrete.

Fulcrum525 · #30 05-05-2010, 10:45 PM

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The daily show is a better source for news than most of the big networks.

Pretty much, here's my two favorite lines from the interview

"Excuse me! Mr. Mayor John Stewart Daily Show. What type of vendor and what war did her service in and what was the name of the horse and do you have any information THAT MATTERS!!"

On the subject of making bombs

"How is it that your so bad a giving us information we should know... and so good at giving us information we really shouldn't know"