if we all ignore the twit from alaska, she will go away.

Its kinda like looking at a auto accident as you go by.
You dont want to see, but you do.

Or how you will constantly aggravate a sore tooth by messing with it.

Looks like asphalt.

Actually its thousand and thousand of dead baby fish.

Thanks BP, Transocean, Haliburton...

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Major drilling accident in NW PA. Media banned from site. Threats of shooting, arrest

by Michael Morrill

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An explosion at a natural gas well in northwest Pennsylvania resulted in a spill of at least a million gallons of oil and chemicals mixed with water. According to the AP report, there was a shower of gas and chemical-laden water shooting 75 feet into the air. The leak continued for at least 16 hours. The accident was so severe that the area was evacuated and the Federal Aviation Administration prohibited flights in the area.
When I heard of the accident on Friday afternoon, I immediately left the meeting I was attending in Washington, DC and headed for the site with my trusty Flip Camera in hand.
So where are the photos and video showing the extent of the pollution?
They don’t exist, because EOG Resources, the owner of the wells, won’t allow anyone on the site, especially with a camera. When I tried to shoot some video, they not only wouldn’t let me on the site, they told me I might be shot for being on their property and then sent thugs to chase me and threaten me.

Would you prefer that property owners had no rights to prevent trespassers on their own property?

Property rights are being infringed already.

The spill is pouring into the local water.

And drifting in the air so badly they changed local flight paths around it.

I do not have the right to pour oil or other toxic chemicals onto the land I own.

Property rights have limitations when they impact others.

There is a very fine line between enforcing trespassing laws and censoring the news
at play here, would you not agree ?

If you noticed toxic sludge coming from your neighbors house wouldn't you want someone to check it out, or do you really think property rights come before personal safety ?

RichC,

I think infringing on property rights is a very slippery slope; one not to be treaded without due consideration.

an extremely slippery slope... especially when covered in toxic waste...:D

And I agree, a plume of chemicals that airplanes have to dodge is infringing on others property rights.

While IF that were true why hadnt we heard about it anywhere else other than the dailykos via a tweet?

I can tell you the name of the town this happened in( it help that I grew up there) also the road it happened on.

Also this 75 ft in the air? Come on Rich you are smarter than that. How can a plume 75 ft in the air affect air traffic at 27-41 thousand feet?

Also it was a thousand gallons from a tank that was capture (for the most part) in the containment dam. The fire was put out by the local volunteer fire company. THE RUNOFF from the fire hoses is the issue. Also the area is still secured because of a criminal investigation is going on(THINK ARSON) due to the timing of the explosion at the same time the PA Sen and House were looking at expand the gas leases in that area.

Where are you getting your information ?
You seem to have more than anyone else.
or maybe your not talking about the same place as the link that was posted.

Not all planes fly at those altitudes, your smart enough to know that.

What happens when a jet ingests a bunch of natural gas floating in the air ???

Judging by the twiter I was misstaken I had not heard about that one. But there was a fire and spill in Bradford Pa a month or so ago about the same sequence of events.
My apologies for that.

On the air plane question: NAtural gas ingested into a combustion turbine(jet engine) will cause a momentary increase in the rpm and torque which will caus the fuel logic to back down primary fuel feed to compensate. There is a pilot on here that can probably explain it better. THe turbines we use have generators bolted to them not air frames.

BP’s ‘Nightmare’ Well: Internal Documents Uncover Negligence

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In an e-mail written six days before the Deepwater Horizon explosion, a BP engineer called the well a “nightmare.” The e-mail was released Monday by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, and it’s one of many company documents describing the risky, cost-cutting decisions that preceded the disaster.
“This has been a nightmare well which has everyone all over the place,” wrote BP engineer Brian Morel to a colleague. Morel wanted the company to use a “liner,” or sheath around the well that would keep gas from surging up the pipes and possibly exploding.
One such surge caused the Deepwater Horizon to temporarily shut down in early April, but BP opted against installing the liner, which would have cost an extra $7 million to $10 million.
“BP appears to have made multiple decisions for economic reasons that increased the danger of a catastrophic well failure,” wrote committee chairs Henry Waxman (D-California) and Bart Stupak (D-Michigan) in a letter to BP CEO Tony Hayward. “In several instances, these decisions appear to violate industry guidelines and were made despite warnings from BP’s own personnel and its contractors. In effect, it appears that BP repeatedly chose risky procedures in order to reduce costs and save time.”
In addition to BP’s decision not to use a liner, the committee’s letter describes four other examples of risky negligence.

Halliburton, the company responsible for cement in the well shaft, recommended using 21 “centralizers” to position the metal tube that ran down the center of the well. An off-center tube would cause cement to harden at different rates, producing gaps and channels that could weaken its structure and increase chances of failure. BP used just six centralizers.
A mid-April review of the well said “it is unlikely to be a successful cement job,” but BP declined to run a “cement bond log,” a day-long evaluation of the cement’s integrity. A crew that arrived expecting to perform the evaluation was sent home.
BP also failed to circulate muds that filled the well as it was drilled. That allowed mud that stayed on the bottom to absorb gas and debris, further weakening cement at the well’s base. BP then decided not to use a “lockdown sleeve,” which would have secured the top of the well, where it emerged from the seafloor.
The full list of documents is located on the House committee’s website. BP’s Hayward testifies before the panel Thursday.
“We ask that you come prepared,” wrote Waxman and Stupak.


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Scientists: Oil leaking up to 2.52M gallons daily

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By RAY HENRY, Associated Press Writer
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(06-15) 18:15 PDT New Orleans (AP) --
Scientists provided a new estimate for the amount of oil gushing from the ruptured well in the Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday that indicates it could be leaking up to 2.52 million gallons of crude a day.
A government panel of scientists said that the ruptured well is leaking between 1.47 million and 2.52 million gallons of oil daily. The figures move the government's worst-case estimates more in line with what an independent team had previously thought was the maximum size of the spill.
"This estimate brings together several scientific methodologies and the latest information from the sea floor, and represents a significant step forward in our effort to put a number on the oil that is escaping from BP's well," Energy Secretary Steven Chu said in a statement.
The latest numbers reflect an increase in the flow that scientists believe happened after undersea robots earlier this month cut off a kinked pipe near the sea floor that was believed to be restricting the flow of oil, just as a bend in a garden hose reduces water flow. BP officials has estimated that cutting the kinked pipe likely increased the flow by up 20 percent.
The pipe was removed so BP could install a containment cap that is trapping leaking oil and drawing it a ship waiting on the ocean surface.
The new numbers are based on a combination of scientific data, including an analysis of high-resolution video taken by underwater robots, pressure meters, sonar, and measurements of oil collected by the containment device on top of the well.
It is the fourth — and perhaps not last — time the federal government has had to increase its estimate of how much oil is gushing. At one point, the federal government claimed only 42,000 gallons were spilling a day and then it upped the number to 210,000 gallons.
As of Tuesday, the maximum amount of oil that has gushed out of the well since the April 20 explosion is 116 million gallons, according to the estimates by scientists advising the federal government.
BP PLC now has a containment system in place in the Gulf of Mexico that has been capturing nearly 648,000 gallons of oil daily. That system was forced to shut down as a precaution Tuesday morning because of a fire on a ship connected to it. BP said the collection system was not damaged and about five hours after the fire, the containment operations resumed.
Under pressure from the federal government, BP plans to gradually expand its ability to capture the flow of oil until a relief well can permanently end the leak sometime in August. The collection system could expand to a peak capacity of 2.2 million gallons of oil by the end of June and up to roughly 3.4 million gallons of oil by mid July.




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hey, look on the bright side. we definitely haven't hit the "peak oil" moment. :D

I was wondering how much oil it would take to make a thin film over all of the worlds oceans.

Just saw this article on NPR about the emergency procedures for oil drilling accidents. The oil companies apparently all contracted to the same company as they all have the exact same procedures in place. They apparently include instructions for treating walruses that do not exist in the gulf and a phone number for a marine biologist. Having a contact for a expert marine biologist is probably a good thing. The fact that he has been dead for years which and four years before the plane was filed.

This just keeps getting better.

That sort of thing is not all that uncommon. One of my many hats involves the use of radioactive source material. All licensees are required to have a "Safety Plan" . Almost everyone in the immediate area uses the same service tech as their back up competent person. It will be fine until 10 of us all have incidents on the same day, and that one person cannot respond to all. ( Unlikely--I've been using radioactive material since the Carter years and have not had even one incident.)

This is one of down-sides of government regulation. They have no stimulus to do it well--after all, what are you going to do, fire the regulator? So they mis-regulate an industry, and then when something happens, the cry from the party of government is "More Regulation". Maybe what is needed is BETTER regulators.
Not a defense of BP, but looking for a better solution than what got us to this point.
(Although I am not a conspiracy guy, one could see this as part of a diabolical plan for ever-increasing government control.--I think gross incompetence is the most likely cause, in this case as in every other)

I disagree. As I mentioned elsewhere, what is needed is not more/better regulation but an incentive (read as 'a really big stick) for companies to do monitor them selves and insure that they are doing things right.

Had BP or any company been told that if you cause an accident you will held financially liable for all costs involved, there will be a 20% NW penalty, all execs will be held criminally liable and face jail time as well as civil penalties. This accident would not have happened.

Government regulators do not have the experience nor resources to insure that procedures are being followed. Normally I do not like leaving the fox in charge of the hen house but if the fox knows he is going to get b!tch slapped if he screws up, he is much more likely to leave the chickens alone.

I think you missed the part of the service tech being dead for 5 years already. You will be waiting quite a long time for him to show up. As was mentioned at the hearing, given that they have walruses and a dead expert in a regional procedure, I do not think they took the safety of the area very seriously.

I did actually pick up on that, but ignored it in my response.

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^^^^^ " It's not about oil. "

C'mon, it's just an accident.

Save the humans !

The dolphins are all dead.