We dont learn from past mistakes identical oil spills in Canada and Gulf in 1979-2010
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo&feature=player_embedded#!

Same oil leak in in Canadian Pipeline.

Same offshore oil rig blowout in Gulf of Mexico.

one in 1979
one in 2010

Same companies, same problems, same failed attempts at stopping the leaks.

We are officially idiots !!!!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hXrdaztYWC4b-nfTbBOcb6bX0a5gD9FVDIK03



Massive new plume of oil found deep in Gulf of mexico.



NEW ORLEANS — Marine scientists have discovered a massive new plume of what they believe to be oil deep beneath the Gulf of Mexico, stretching 22 miles (35 kilometers) from the leaking wellhead northeast toward Mobile Bay, Alabama.
The discovery by researchers on the University of South Florida College of Marine Science's Weatherbird II vessel is the second significant undersea plume recorded since the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20.

A leak in a pipeline is not the same as an undersea blowout in 5000 feet of water. Get a clue.

Maybe you are seeing the light.

Get a clue ?, they are two separate events I am talking about !

One is a Pipeline rupture.
The other is an off shore oil rig explosion.

Wow !

Try to comprehend what your reading a little before instantly chastising others.

These same two events have happened simultaneously twice now.
For a total of 4 oil spills.

Once in 1997
Once in 2010

Sorry I dont know how to break it down into mono syllable, three word sentences for you.

Wait, maybe I can.....

1979... Spill baby Spill.
2010... Spill baby Spill.

Maybe you need to turn your head away from the flickering flame and look up at the sun.

for once, i do agree with you. if he wants to bring up oil rig blowouts, there is always Ixtoc I - which, i grant you was in only 160ft., so somewhat different in logistics, if not in volume.

NASA time lapse satellite images showing the expansion of the Gulf oil spill.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=14418484

Drill baby drill...

Kill baby Kill :(

New BP Logo.

http://i.imgur.com/P0qkj.jpg

There is no disaster that is too great to be used for crass political means.
Fix the leak.
Then assign blame.
Then modify procedures.

Airplanes crash occasionally. We do not ground all airplanes and stop flying as a knee-jerk reaction. We investigate and change things to make it safer.

I agree with you and T. Boone. And can someone throw Carville a valium or six. Now. (I'm sure the White House would secretly agree with me.;):cool:)

Only to the extent we allow the Corporate greedheads to evade and escape PERSONALLY their responsibility for this. AGAIN !!!!


Their personal fortunes should be confiscated and all of it spent spent on restitution while they are jailed in GENERAL POPULATION of maximum security prisons serving the maximum criminal term.

Maximizing shareholder and investor profits need to take a subordinate position to the public good, in such cases.

Betcha we'd see some real loud howling about prison reform as a by product of this, too.

I have no doubt that Republican senators are being bribed this very minute by oil company lobbyists to make sure their liability is minimalised for this.

Spoken like ONLY some typical Dallas Texas oil man would speak.

Left out of that clip was Paul Harvey's page 2. The rest of the story? As in, how much environmental damage was done? How many miles of coastline were damaged? Who paid the cleanup costs? Were any fisheries closed? How long did it take for the effects of the 79 damage to neutralize?

I might be mistaken, but I don't recall that spill reaching the gulf stream and fouling up Atlantic coastal waters.

At 4:16 the anchor says this was a "Mexican" spill. Operation Sombrero. Mexicans are officially idiots too???:confused:

Drill baby drill


Plane wrecks aren't usually considered an environmental disaster.

Oil spills are.

The two things aren't even within the same spectrum of events.
I have yet to hear a plane crash be called a national disaster.

And the point of this thread is that it keeps happening over and over again.
No one is "modifying procedures"

Your right wing propaganda is sickening !
Do you support oil spills ???

Just exactly what pundit did you hear this drivel from ??

It was the exact same company that had the spill in 79 that has caused this one.
An american mega corporation.
Sedco, who later changed their name to Transocean.
Same company, same area, same mistakes !

Calm down a bit will you?

I posted that we need to modify our procedures. You even quoted that.
Then you blame me for my right wing agenda, missing, apparently the very thing you quoted. If I am calling for doing something that has not yet been done, how am I advancing some agenda?
You need to stop reading the talking points, and read what people actually write when they respond to you.

Its also more than a little insulting for you to assume I got this from someone else. Much like you, I do my own thinking.

My mistake I thought you were saying that was the routine, ie to learn and adjust.

I try desperately not to read or fall for any of the talking points.

But it seems the right makes everything a talking point.
And then tells its followers that when someone says anything contrary to their talking point, that that they are just following some liberal agenda.

Free thinking is not a liberal agenda.

An oil spill is not a political event.

This country is so screwed.

We have sold our soul to the company store !!

Where are the Tea Party Patriots now were going to be spending millions
of government dollars on the cleanup of this spill, when BP and friends should
be fined and imprisoned ?

If I dumped a bunch of oil in a local water supply, I would be fined and maybe imprisoned, why not BP ?

Money for war, or clean up for BP = Amerikan Democracy.

Money for healthcare = Socialized Dictatorship.

Its just plain ignorance !!! Disgusting stupidity !!!

and ... to add a bit of fuel (pun intended)

Drilling offshore a mile down or 5000+ feet or 1700+ yards makes soo much more sense than shale oil drilling. Ohh yes, after all, a blowout on land might cause the willy wanka chartreuse antennaed scorby to have to move 3 or 400 feet away from where they are currently doing their own version of the 'ugly bump'.

Please dont forget either ... according to the statements our great one made yesterday "I am in charge". Based on what Ive seen in ~18 months if that statement is true we are in for a long, long, long oil spill.

Yea his time line is rather slower than many thought.

Closing Gitmo
Repealing Dont ask
Ending Iraq war.

And it doesnt look like the healthcare thing will be settled for years.

Hope the bailout and cleanup for BP is a little faster, for our sake.

I encourage everyone to print this and post this image in appropriate places near BP stations or Transocean offices.

http://i.imgur.com/eTP30.jpg

And exactly what do you hope to accomplish by that?

The owners of BP stations are independent businessmen; not employees or officers of BP.

Your plea makes no sense unless inflicting the greatest harm on the greatest number of people is your desire.

And besides, wouldn't want to piss off a major Demokrat campaign contributor......

http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2010/05/bp-was-big-contributor-to-obama.html

I have to wonder about this vilification of BP. Shouldn't we wait until we know the facts?

Do you all really think that "keeping your foot on BP's throat" is really helpful? Does that attitude provide more incentive then the $$Million a day BP is losing?

Do you REALLY think Obama has "been on this since day "? If so, it begs the question---"To what effect has Obama been on this since day 1?"
Is it incompetence, or a larger political motivation that has caused the deliberate slowness in federal help on the scene?

Maybe he hates LA, because its a red state

Chicken Little, you need to check your facts. Sedco was never Transocean.

I think the undertones of all this is pretty basic and not politically left or right. All we've been hearing is how "safe" it is and how "technologically advanced" the safety features are. They've basically lied to us about all that. The only "technological advances" made were in the ability to drill deeper. It's the same blow out preventer, birthday hat over the leak and junk in the pipe remedies as 30 years ago. There have been NO advancements in disaster relief/recovery/repair.

To make it political for a moment - and this DOES apply to both sides and their extremes - to really sit there gleefully and chant: "The market will take care of itself" is either stupid or naive. Of course the "market" will take care of itself. It will maximize the bottom line at any cost to you, me, the environment. Allowing the "market" to police itself is like allowing the prisoners to choose their sentence.... And to add to that point, 11 people are DEAD thanks to the bottom line. If I have one too many drinks today, get behind the wheel and kill ONE person, I'll be in jail before I sober up. The travesty. HOLIDAY TRAGEDY !!! will be the lead tonight. SINGLE DRUNK DRIVER KILLS FATHER OF FOUR WITH NEW-BORN ON THE WAY !!! Oh the horror and tragedy I caused.... Well there are 11 families missing a loved one today, some 40+ days later and where's their justice....

Your kidding right ???
Check your own facts, and quit calling people names.

Transocean Sedco Forex Inc

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Transocean-Sedco-Forex-Inc-Company-History.html

Address:
4 Greenway Plaza
Houston, Texas
U.S.A.

Telephone: (713) 232-7500
Fax: (713) 232-7027
http://www.deepwater.com

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Can you comprehend that the media and corporations are manipulating you.

Your blaming the president for this.
And letting the companies that did it , off the hook.

Your twisted right wing logic will put the american taxpayer on the hook for cleaning up this mess, and let the responsible parties go free.

How in the world to you come up with these completely twisted ideas ??
Where does your information come from ??
Stop it !!!
You hurt us all with that sort of thinking....

You guys are so funny; screaming for less government at any occasion but when the sh#t hits the fan the government can't be there fast enough...

Couldn't agree more.. 15 months ago Jindal is saying no government is good government. Now he's crying that Obama is not swimming down 5000 feet and stuffing that pipe closed with his Super Fist. Perry cries succession and no stimulus money too.. Do a little research as to where a few new I-20 & I-30 projects are being funded from. Look back into the few days following Mr Perry's "succession" idea for the clip of him visiting the sites of the Texas wildfires last year and telling residents: "I'll be seeking FEDERAL DISASTER RELIEF FUNDS." Now that HAS TO BE TRUE because I saw it on the local FOX news affiliate that Saturday am...


OT - I stuffed the kitchen sink drain solid with a BIRTHDAY CANDLE on my 8th birthday. Maybe I should head down there & lend a hand. :lol:

Can you read?

Sedco Forex merged with Transocean. It's like a man marrying a woman: the man is never the woman.

Jeez.

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

It will be quite interesting to see how it all shakes out. If BP actually pays all the damages I will be impressed.

BP may pay for some of it up front. We the consumer will pay for all of it on the back end. Those responsible both in the government and in the corporation who put graft/profit before safety will never see the inside of a cell or have to pay a dime.

This is where I'd like to see Boards of Directors take charge. It'll probably never happen as the Directors and CEO are too cosy, but it SHOULD happen.

How would BOD's help? They are typically filled with fellow CEO's and other fat cats who have little motivation to see the right thing done. Get the share holders involved and that could be interesting. After they are done, the US Gen Attorney can step in.

Can you be more condescending and wrong at the same time ?

You went from saying this
To saying
The company was called Sedco.
Then the company was called Transocean.

You know what they call it now ???
Go look at there website.

They call it
Transocean Sedco Forex Inc

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html

You make everything political.
Every argument you make I have heard from right wing sources.
There is no argument as to who is responsible.
Unless you think the president bombed the oil rig on purpose.
I am surprised that little right wing idea hasn't reared it little head around here.

Unless you simply assume that the oil companies are solely responsible, of course we need to determine responsibility. BP and the drilling company obviously have a large measure of responsibility. But what about federal oversight that did not even anticipate such a problem, nor have a list of possible solutions. Who bears the responsibility for not having the booms and other equipment on hand that were required by federal law? Were Bush's people still running the oversight agencies?

All my argument are political? Of course--that is the purpose of these discussions. How does that make me any different from you? All of your arguments are also political, and come from a left wing/ progressive viewpoint. How are you and me different other than our relative POVs?

The private sector does all the drilling so it is likely that they are the only ones with the equipment and experience to fix this. It is possible the Navy has something?

Politics: not sure which side will best use this disaster to their advantage but I bet "drill baby drill" will not be a campaign slogan any time soon.

Why should I have to have equipment to protect my self from an issue the gas station on the corner might have? I would think that is the responsibility of the gas station?

If BP is going to put platform in the gulf out of the goodness of their heart that is one thing but they are not doing that are they?

Yes government over sight was lacking in a big way and those responsible should face jail time if it was malfeasance. The BP officials should be tared with their own oil.

If you passed a law that required you to keep some emergency equipment on hand, and failed to follow your own law, what would you say?
Much like the ACOE not properly designing or building the dikes for New Orleans, the feds messed up here, too.
By all means hold BP, and the drilling company responsible. But do not let the government off, if they indeed failed to do what they were required to do. Its time to stop judging government on "intentions" rather than results.

Not sure what law was passed when but what ever dumb ass did that ought to be shot. The only law that should have been passed was one that said if a company wants to build something that could affect the lives of the public they damn well better be prepared to deal with any issues that arise. If issues arise that were due to negligence as appears to be the case here, they should be ready to do jail time and face huge fines based on their net worth.

Seem to me I have seen several here voice their opposition to government intervention and incompetence. Health care is one example that comes to mind. I see the BP spill as a perfect example of how corporations cannot be expected to do the right thing and that the market will not hold them accountable. Exxon had a drunk driving a tanker and it ran aground. WTF!!!

Until corporations are held accountable for their actions by the courts and by the government nothing will change. IF BP knew that they would have to pay for 100% of the clean up as well as an additional 10% of their corporate NW I am pretty sure this would have never happened.

I want the corporations to run the business and I want the governments to do the over sights. Obama said he wants emission requirements on large trucks. Great... now the truck makers need to meet the goal. That in my opinion is how it should be done.

Dude, my post usually come from an human rights perspective.

The fact that you perceive them as liberal is proof you politicize everything.

So, you support stricter government regulations on offshore oil drilling ????

I do not believe I addressed stricter or less strict regulations.

I support common sense laws and regulations that allow business to work, and protect the public interest. Not one at the expense of the other, but both, working harmoniously together.

So what should win,
the corporations bottom line.
Or the environment ?

Just a matter of time before technocrats start sneering at vahrnmentalists crying over the gulf leak.

How soon before we/they are drilling in 10K feet? 15K feet? The shallower depths that drill-baby-drillers are howling to get into would be exhausted of their oil soon enough and the push will be on to go to the deep water. We are going to have to get by on way, way less sooner of later, I say we proceed to make that adjustment before we have more spills/leaks like this cuz it's going to happen.

Ever had someone say something so illogical that you have a little mini seizure after hearing it ????

Well get ready to have another...

http://i.imgur.com/g9aFw.png

RichC,
In answer to your question...
"YES" many times upon visiting OD.