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Old 03-10-2011, 10:57 PM
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Save a Trillion $ over 20 years HUH

Not the amount or anything.
Why is it governments, city, state and the fed show how such and such will cost or save over 20 or 30 years.
Changes OB is proposing will save a trillion over 20 years(OK maybe it was 10 years).
Eliminating the dollar bill will save 5.5 B over 30 years. In 20 years we won't be using currency probably 10 years. (If the US Dollar survives).
Changes at O'Hare will save 250k per year IN 10 years (Daley).
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Palease they (No One) can predict out that far. Look at corporate America, 3 to 5 years tops.
Things change, government changes, law get undone, rewritten, added etc.

Why do they do this ?

Is it just sparkle, big numbers to sound good, thinking they can confuse the average citizen (they can't) ???
I don't think they should go total short sighted months or the year but predicting 30 years out ????

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Old 03-11-2011, 01:31 AM
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The political system is masterful at many forms of deception. It is not done with malignant intent. It is just part and parcel of business as usual.

Things are fundementally so far out of control there is no sane medium or long term forcasting possible. No political party can make the hard choices required.

They could not survive the backlash as a party. In the final anyalisis governments of our type will sacrifice everything to maintain power is a given.

Many things currently indicate they have already done a lot wrong over time.. The chances of any individual coming to power and having a strong enough personality to undo even some things and survive it are not good.

I really wish it were otherwise. Basically you live within your means or go down eventually. Attemptiing to buy time artificially is only buying time at best. At worse it is effectivly morgaging every thing in a country.
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Old 03-11-2011, 05:48 AM
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Not the amount or anything.
Why is it governments, city, state and the fed show how such and such will cost or save over 20 or 30 years.
Changes OB is proposing will save a trillion over 20 years(OK maybe it was 10 years).
Eliminating the dollar bill will save 5.5 B over 30 years. In 20 years we won't be using currency probably 10 years. (If the US Dollar survives).
Changes at O'Hare will save 250k per year IN 10 years (Daley).
...

Palease they (No One) can predict out that far. Look at corporate America, 3 to 5 years tops.
Things change, government changes, law get undone, rewritten, added etc.

Why do they do this ?

Is it just sparkle, big numbers to sound good, thinking they can confuse the average citizen (they can't) ???
I don't think they should go total short sighted months or the year but predicting 30 years out ????
Its "politics as usual".
Its also the sort of thing that gave rise to the TEA Party.
Taxed
Enough
ALREADY

We are at ( or passing) the critical point. Continued "politics as Usual" will simple send us all into another Great Depression.

A move as simple as moving away from the USD as the Reserve Currency could be the tipping point. Our creditors need to see real action, not a few billion on the edges, or it may soon be over.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:43 AM
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a trillion over 20 yrs.alot that will do when they go 3-4 trillion in the hole every year.as the old saying goes."if you can't dazzle them with brilliance,baffle them with bull $hit!"
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:25 AM
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Its "politics as usual".
Its also the sort of thing that gave rise to the TEA Party.
Taxed
Enough
ALREADY

We are at ( or passing) the critical point. Continued "politics as Usual" will simple send us all into another Great Depression.

A move as simple as moving away from the USD as the Reserve Currency could be the tipping point. Our creditors need to see real action, not a few billion on the edges, or it may soon be over.
I had always assumed that the easy availability cheap beer gave rise to the tea party.
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Old 03-11-2011, 10:52 AM
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I had always assumed that the easy availability cheap beer gave rise to the tea party.
Only if you read Salon.com
This is the beginning of a crisis.
We need to act like we are on the verge of a crisis.
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Old 03-11-2011, 10:57 AM
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Our politicians love the sound bite and so do we. We want to believe in easy, simple, painless solutions to our problems and so our political leaders and those who want to become our leaders have mastered the sound bite, the simplified numerical solution, etc, etc.
In the end nothing ever changes until the pain of the status quo becomes too great to bear. That seems to be a sad fact of life for most of us, either individually or collectively.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:55 PM
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Not the amount or anything.
Why is it governments, city, state and the fed show how such and such will cost or save over 20 or 30 years.
Changes OB is proposing will save a trillion over 20 years(OK maybe it was 10 years).
Eliminating the dollar bill will save 5.5 B over 30 years. In 20 years we won't be using currency probably 10 years. (If the US Dollar survives).
Changes at O'Hare will save 250k per year IN 10 years (Daley).
The reduction from spending cuts is generally straight forward. If we cut an average of $100 billion/year and keep that up for ten years then we'll spend $1 trillion less than we would have otherwise. The only way we wouldn't spend $1 trillion less would be if we didn't cut $100 billion/year for ten years.

There's no guarantee this will happen. Candidate B can come in after A and up spending, but the "savings" are estimates based on the assumption that the cuts aren't altered. That said, compared to estimates in the business world, government estimates are pretty solid. Government tends to be relatively stable compared to business.
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:56 PM
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a trillion over 20 yrs.alot that will do when they go 3-4 trillion in the hole every year.as the old saying goes."if you can't dazzle them with brilliance,baffle them with bull $hit!"
I dare you to make less sense!
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How about eliminate penny's, nickles, and dimes?
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How about a zero-based budget process.
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some girls arent worth more than a dollar at a time and a silver dollar would be cold....... fagetaboutit
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:34 PM
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Only if you read Salon.com
This is the beginning of a crisis.
We need to act like we are on the verge of a crisis.
I don't deny that we are having a little blip in the economy and that action is required; however, I don't see the teabaggers contributing anything productive to the process. At most they will manage to split the republican party to the point where the legitimate republicans can't will. Remember the Bull Moose Party?
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:22 PM
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I don't deny that we are having a little blip in the economy and that action is required; however, I don't see the teabaggers contributing anything productive to the process. At most they will manage to split the republican party to the point where the legitimate republicans can't will. Remember the Bull Moose Party?
What are their options? If they simply repute the issues they ran on, and submit to the entrenched Republicans,they will be hypocrites. Yet, they do not have enough power to force the issue on anything.
I would like to see them stay true to their principles; be budgetary watchdogs. The next election will either add to their numbers or not.

Tea Party or not, this is more than a simple "blip" in the economy. The debt and deficit are growing and there will be a point when it CANNOT be repaid. Some people think we have already passed that point.
My hope is that we have not.

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