I say let the middle east fight its own wars. I was born just a little bit before the 6 day war.
My whole life I've been hearing about Israel. I am tired of hearing about Israel.
I am tired of apparently supporting Israel.
If we have given them nukes and essentially paid for their army, air force, etc. and they apparently don't need us and can't seem to get along with their neighbors, why do we bother any more?

It seems like we are enablers to a whiny child. They should learn to get along.
Near as I can tell, much of what happens re: terrorist attacks WTC/9/11, etc. toward the US is related to our continued support of Israel.

Unless I am mistaken, the 6 day war happened and as a result, new borders happened. They either need to stay the way they are, go back to pre-1967, or they have a new war and come what may.

If we let them fight their own battles, how bad could it be?

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This is because it was never said...

It appears to have originated on rense.com, and then subsequently "requoted" all over the place. Along with the quote was a reference to Carter having "recalled in his memoirs" that Begin referred to the Jews as "The Master Race...

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No, it will come when they turn their enemies weapons into plowshares.

Look it up as JP said.

Well, if you are relying on the Bible as a reason to take up arms against your country, or continue to support a war mongering regime in Israel, then you are probably too far gone anyway.

I do find it interesting that of the many staunch supporters of Israel that I have asked that same question, not a one of them has a real answer. Same kind of Biblical reference BS as you.

What does an ancient fairy tale have to do with current foreign policy?

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That's because they know it sounds like something a lunatic would say, and they don't want to be that bat**** insane Fundie Christian talking about "end times".
They think the rapture may be upon us soon.

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You asked why Christians get up in arms about Israel, I told you to read the Bible and find out...the answer to that question in within that Book.

Or don't...that's fine with me. Go through life with ignorance as your banner. I'm NOT telling you to read it with an open mind and believe what is said in it...I'm telling you that the answer to your question is in the Bible.

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Do you have a specific verse you could point out that tells believers to take up arms against their own government, should they choose to stop wasting billions of dollars in what is essentially foreign welfare payments?

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The New Testament says quite the opposite. Romans 13 is a good place to start. The government is good because it is the government. If it wasn't ordained by god it wouldn't be the government and anyhow it doesn't matter, so pay your taxes and STFU because it's all about what goodies you get when you DIE anyhow.

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

The Old Testament God on the other hand was pretty clear about Israel being his chosen people and the location of the Holy Final Playoffs and my goodness gracious you better not screw with them or you'll get the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch tossed in your punchbowl or something.

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Well, what I was looking for was your reason...

I could read it till the cows came home and still not find what others do.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Funny, that ancient fairy tale describes alot of what is making current foreign policy if you'd take time to read and learn.

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Here is a more sane Christian's POV on the matter.

Zionism Verses the Bible — by Pastor Thomas Williamson

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It would be funny if it weren't true.

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Where does your quote come from? Please provide a link...

Never mind...I found it.

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I don't know if Obama can be trusted to totally aid Israel.
For a Muslim, err I mean Christian , he sure does seem to lean the 'other way'.
Been hearing bits about his inability to make timely decisions as most of the areas a President deal with are out of his areas of expertice, usually it's up to Mom Val. That's who would run an offensive from the WH and it would be run with polling.