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elchivito · #91 08-21-2012, 06:05 PM

Who is Mom Val?

Ara T. · #92 08-21-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

I don't know if Obama can be trusted to totally aid Israel.
For a Muslim, err I mean Christian , he sure does seem to lean the 'other way'.
Been hearing bits about his inability to make timely decisions as most of the areas a President deal with are out of his areas of expertice, usually it's up to Mom Val. That's who would run an offensive from the WH and it would be run with polling.

You seem to be insinuating that there is supposed to be some sort of unspoken alliance between Christians and Jews against Muslims.

cullennewsom · #93 08-21-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Where does your quote come from? Please provide a link...

Never mind...I found it.

Lifted from here: Zionism Verses the Bible — by Pastor Thomas Williamson

He goes into further detail here: To Whom Does the Land of Palestine Belong

Since66 · #94 08-21-2012, 08:44 PM

Chilcutt, This "quote" was never uttered by Begin

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'Our race is the master race. We Jews are divine Gods on this planet. We are as differant from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals..cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excretement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as slaves'. >Israelli Prime Minister Menachim Begin 1977-1983

it was lifted from the rantings of this yoyo.

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MTUpower · #95 08-21-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LaughingGravy

I say let the middle east fight its own wars. ...
My whole life I've been hearing about Israel. I am tired of hearing about Israel.
I am tired of apparently supporting Israel.
If we have given them nukes and essentially paid for their army, air force, etc. and they apparently don't need us and can't seem to get along with their neighbors, why do we bother any more?

It seems like we are enablers to a whiny child. They should learn to get along.
Near as I can tell, much of what happens re: terrorist attacks WTC/9/11, etc. toward the US is related to our continued support of Israel.

Unless I am mistaken, the 6 day war happened and as a result, new borders happened. They either need to stay the way they are, go back to pre-1967, or they have a new war and come what may.

If we let them fight their own battles, how bad could it be?

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tonkovich · #96 08-21-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Or made up out of whole cloth by Kapeliouk, hardly an unbiased source. The guy is/was an active dissident reporter in Israel. Other than his alleged quote, there is no material evidence Begin ever said those words.

CAMERA, the Committee for Accurate Middle East Reporting in America has quite a bit of research on hate speech supposedly written and spoken by Israeli leaders. I won't claim they are an unbiased source either. The link to the page where this quote is found is below it. While it doesn't directly address the supposed Begin quote you used, it gives another example of an apparent distortion/fabrication by Kapeliouk.

Investigation--Example 2: Internet hate sites, as well as Fisk, attribute this derogation of Palestnians as “two-legged beasts” to former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin. The source generally given is:

Menachem Begin, as quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982

Indeed, the radical French-Israeli journalist, Amnon Kapeliouk, did attribute such a quote to Begin in his New Statesman article criticizing Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. The author posited:

For this reason the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to dehumanise the Palestinians. Begin described them in a speech in the Knesset as "beasts walking on two legs".

However, further investigation by CAMERA reveals that the actual speech upon which Kapeliouk based his quote, as well as news reports at the time demonstrate that the journalist distorted the quote, giving it a completely different tone and meaning. Begin was talking, not about "the Palestinians" but about terrorists who target children within Israel.

On June 8, 1982, Begin addressed the Knesset in response to a no-confidence motion over Israel's invasion of Lebanon. He talked about defending the children of Israel, and according to a June 9, 1982 AP report, “his voice quaver[ed] with anger and sadness.” According to the minutes of the session, Begin stated:

The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.

Kapeliouk neither recanted nor apologized for his deception.

CAMERA: Exposing False Zionist Quotes II (Quote Busters II)

I have no dog in the fight and while it might appear I'm taking sides, I'm not. I won't take a side because my religious heritage has nothing to do with it, and I don't believe we're getting the straight dope on the issue from ANYONE, Muslim, Christian, American, Israeli, Pakistani, Saudi ad nauseum. God made another big boo boo if you ask me. He shoulda had old Abie do in both of his sons.

you might want to investigate your source: CAMERA

CAMERA - SourceWatch

MTI · #97 08-21-2012, 09:29 PM

We'll set everybody free . . .

Dudesky · #98 08-21-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Who is Mom Val?

The President of the United States, Valerie Jarret.
Obama doesn't take a dump w/o her nod.
Hear of the three times the OBL hit was postponed? Mommy had issues.

chilcutt · #99 08-22-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Since66

Chilcutt, This "quote" was never uttered by Begin

it was lifted from the rantings of this yoyo.

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Ara T. · #**100** 08-22-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Well, if you are relying on the Bible as a reason to take up arms against your country, or continue to support a war mongering regime in Israel, then you are probably too far gone anyway.

I do find it interesting that of the many staunch supporters of Israel that I have asked that same question, not a one of them has a real answer. Same kind of Biblical reference BS as you.

What does an ancient fairy tale have to do with current foreign policy?

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The uber-religious segment of our population never fails to creep me out.

And also some interesting conflations of the political state of Israel with the Jewish religion in this thread, as if wanting to let them sort their own mess out is somehow anti-semitic. Such tripe.

retmil46 · #**101** 08-22-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

The President of the United States, Valerie Jarret.
Obama doesn't take a dump w/o her nod.
Hear of the three times the OBL hit was postponed? Mommy had issues.

That's the second time in the past week that I've heard reference to Val being the puppet master, just as Cheney and Rove were previously.

Following is hearsay from a friend, haven't been able to find an article as yet backing up this story - as related, this was leaked by a WH insider - WH commissioned a no BS poll, rather than trust other polls in the MSM with an obvious slant, to find out where they really stood on BO's election chances - word was that the raw numbers showed Willard winning by double digits - and that Val went ballistic - reportedly stormed into the Oval Office, slammed the door shut, and could be heard chewing BO's rear up one side and down the other, from wasting too much time on health care and not enough on the economy, to other perceived failings on his part.

As far as the overall story itself and it's credence - meh.

But it does follow a similar line to other accounts over the past few years regarding Valerie Jarret - of her being essentially the female D version of Karl Rove, managing both Michelle's and BO's public lives behind the scenes for many years.

chilcutt · #**102** 08-22-2012, 01:18 AM

United nation's 446 passed, Stated Israel is an occupying power.
As an occupying power, 4 geneva Convention applies; you cannot transfer your population into occupied territory.
The World Court ruled on this in 2004.
Now you can disagree with the ruling, as you can any law. But that does not INVALIDATE the law.
To do that it must be taken to the World Court for arbitration-which Israel doesnt want.

For all the uncertainties as to whether Israel would attack Iran and indeed how Iran might respond, one thing is clear- in terms of International Law- such a strike would be illegal.
For it to be considered legal, the UN Security Council would need to authorise such a strike, because Iran has not launched an armed attack on Israel or the United States.

There is virtually no support among experts for attacking to 'Pre-empt' a hypothetical future attack.

Air&Road · #**103** 08-22-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Funny, that ancient fairy tale describes alot of what is making current foreign policy if you'd take time to read and learn.

Forget it! He's not going to do that. MANY heathens are enjoying their lifestyle WAY too much to take a chance on finding out the truth and ruining their fun. The sad thing is that the TRUTH could set them free but they are too wrapped up in themselves to seek it.

One of the many problems is that there are SO MANY people who present themselves as Christians or followers of other religions, only as a front for evil doing. This has resulted in LOTS of things being connected to particular religions that are completely unwarranted and false. There was at least one good example in this thread.

chilcutt · #**104** 08-22-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Forget it! He's not going to do that. MANY heathens are enjoying their lifestyle WAY too much to take a chance on finding out the truth and ruining their fun. The sad thing is that the TRUTH could set them free but they are too wrapped up in themselves to seek it.

One of the many problems is that there are SO MANY people who present themselves as Christians or followers of other religions, only as a front for evil doing. This has resulted in LOTS of things being connected to particular religions that are completely unwarranted and false. There was at least one good example in this thread.

You suggest someone should read the Bible.

Have you read the Torah? The Quran? Have you researched the Hindi religion? Researched Tao-Zen?

Which religion/faiths/beliefs outside of Christianity have you studied-read-researched?

elchivito · #**105** 08-22-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

you might want to investigate your source: CAMERA

CAMERA - SourceWatch

As I said, I didn't claim CAMERA was an unbiased source. They're clearly a pro Israeli lobby. Doesn't mean they aren't telling at least some of the truth. That Kapeliouk is a dissident Israeli reporter with an anti government agenda is hardly arguable, and he seems to be the end of the line in trying to trace that supposed quote from Begin.