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Brian Carlton 11-02-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3041421)
Some hotels reportedly....................

I'm surprised that you didn't see right through this.

This would be the perfect definition of heresay. In fact, I'll bet the author probably made it up for effect.

dynalow 11-02-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 3041357)
Unfortunately, that's BS.

To make the run over 26 miles requires the closure of an estimated 500 streets. Many of these streets are manned by police officers to ensure that no traffic enters the "dead end".

If I walk the east side of Manhattan during the race, I could easily count over 100 officers in 20 city blocks. The contingent is probably less in Brooklyn and Queens, but have no doubt that the police requirement is far from insignificant.

I lived on Staten Island. Graduated from HS there.:)

The guy at 5:28 of this clip (Morning Joe today --"Sandy's aftermath, staten Island"... clip) makes a point imo.
They're pumping out the Battery Tunnel for a for a marathon. We're pulling bodies out of the water. See the disconnect here??

Morning Joe

"Sand's aftermath

The Marathon? Bloomberg tells the prez to stay out of town & go see Christie then says ok to the runners and their big money corp sponsors?
S'pose his endorsment of Obama was a peace offering after his snub? :rolleyes:;) He scored no points on the Island with this call.

Jim B. 11-02-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 3041429)
I'm surprised that you didn't see right through this.

This would be the perfect definition of heresay. In fact, I'll bet the author probably made it up for effect.


:rolleyes:

MTI 11-02-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3041421)
They announced today that people who have lost their homes due to storm damage and are staying in local hotels/ motels are being uprooted and kicked out so that the marathon runners/tourists/gawkers will have hotel/motel room(s).

Where I come from, that ain't right.

from the link below.

"There has been tension with the visitors as well. Some hotels reportedly have asked families stranded by the storm to leave to make room for out-of-town runners. "

Marathon Polarizes NYC Amid Devastation - US Business News - CNBC

If you had checked the storyline, you might have found this:

SI Hotel Owner Refuses To Evict Evacuees To Honor Marathon Runners' Reservations - NY1.com

HuskyMan 11-02-2012 01:40 PM

from the link below, an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 marathoners/tourists had hotel reservations PRIOR to hurricane Sandy. As a result, the hotels have a legal dilemma on their hands, honor the original reservation contract or dishonor it so they can rent rooms to storm victims.

Marathon Backlash Hits Twitter
Meanwhile, the city's promises to use private transportation for the marathon haven't placated some irate citizens. Some people have taken to Twitter to vent their anger about the marathon and its impact on storm survivors.
Some survivors without power have been holed up in area hotels. Still, they can't get additional reservations because many hotels rooms previously were booked months in advance by runners, scheduled to participate in the race. (Read more: Available: NY Hotel Room, No Power for $400 a Night)
"#Disgraceful," tweeted one Twitter user.

Hotels are obliged to honor legitimate reservations — whether you're a stranded storm survivor or marathon runner. "If a guest has a legitimate reservation, you've got an obligation," said William Carroll, senior lecturer at Cornell University.
But there's nothing preventing hotels from proactively contacting those with reservations, who have yet to arrive, to confirm their travel plans, said Carroll, who is also a senior hotel and lodging analyst for market research firm PhoCusWright.
As the storm's aftermath continues, many travelers probably won't be able to get into New York City this weekend.


NYC Marathon Proceeds as Backlash Mounts - CNBC

Air&Road 11-02-2012 01:45 PM

It's difficult to imagine that a marathoner would deny a room to someone displaced from their home. That said, there are all kinds of people in the world.

spdrun 11-02-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3041460)
It's difficult to imagine that a marathoner would deny a room to someone displaced from their home. That said, there are all kinds of people in the world.

It's not the marathoners -- it's the hotels telling people that rooms were pre-booked months ago, and they need to check out.

Brian Carlton 11-02-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dynalow (Post 3041431)
I lived on Staten Island. Graduated from HS there.:)

The guy at 5:28 of this clip (Morning Joe today --"Sandy's aftermath, staten Island"... clip) makes a point imo.
They're pumping out the Battery Tunnel for a for a marathon. We're pulling bodies out of the water. See the disconnect here??


Those folks are hurting.........no doubt about it.

However, nobody is pumping out the Battery Tunnel for a marathon. The route goes nowhere near that tunnel. They are pumping out the tunnel to restore a critical transportation path from Brooklyn to lower Manhattan.

The folks on Staten Island need support from the Red Cross and the Feds with regard to food and water and the support from ConEd with regard to electric. The police cannot do much of anything for them.

The requirements for the Marathon are quite different than the needs of those folks. From the outside you can make a judgment that the resources must go to one or the other. But, you'd likely be in error.

HuskyMan 11-02-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3041462)
It's not the marathoners -- it's the hotels telling people that rooms were pre-booked months ago, and they need to check out.

You are assuming that all marathoners have a heart. They have been training for this race all year and for some, not even a hurricane is going to get in the way of their run. No doubt, there are many marathoners who will not run so as to conserve resources for storm victims; OTH, there will be those that take a "Me First, everyone else is second" attitude. The legal fact is that prior hotel reservations have priority. This presents a moral and legal problem for the hotels.

No easy answers........

Air&Road 11-02-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3041472)
You are assuming that all marathoners have a heart. They have been training for this race all year and for some, not even a hurricane is going to get in the way of their run. No doubt, there are many marathoners who will not run so as to conserve resources for storm victims; OTH, there will be those that take a "Me First, everyone else is second" attitude. The legal fact is that prior hotel reservations have priority. This presents a moral and legal problem for the hotels.

No easy answers........


Yes, there are good and bad in ALL groups of people.

Brian Carlton 11-02-2012 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3041472)
The legal fact is that prior hotel reservations have priority. This presents a moral and legal problem for the hotels.

No easy answers........

I wonder if a reservation is a legally binding agreement?

Is there any recourse to the hotel if they don't honor a reservation? "Sorry, no room for you"??

HuskyMan 11-02-2012 02:10 PM

I have personally experienced being kicked out of a hotel because of a prior reservation. A knock on the door along with the announcement that the room must be vacant by 11:00 AM.

HuskyMan 11-02-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 3041483)
I wonder if a reservation is a legally binding agreement?

Is there any recourse to the hotel if they don't honor a reservation? "Sorry, no room for you"??

That appears to be a question for the legal minds. Airlines overbook all the time, while hotels/motels appear to be a different situation. Most hotel owners/management do not want to have the public reputation of denying a traveler a legitimate paid reservation. Especially in today's age of trip advisor, yelp, etc etc where bad news travels INSTANTLY.

spdrun 11-02-2012 02:18 PM

If the hotel rooms were booked long-term by the people who lost their homes, wonder if NYC landlord-tenant law would come into play.

MTI 11-02-2012 02:22 PM

You Know How To Take The Reservation


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