Just something to kick around. I don't claim to have any answers.

Somewhere along the way the term 'Risk Taker' was changed to 'Job Creator'. I do not see this as being true, but then I am rather old and perhaps I have not been keeping up.

I have taken many risks, and because of these risks some jobs were created, but I have never set out on a project with the intention of creating jobs. I would see it as just the opposite; I want to create as few jobs as possible. I am not in business for the fun of it nor do I know anyone who is.

I don't see any right or wrong answer to this 'question', but it would be interesting to see the thoughts on the subject from such a diverse group of intelligent people.

I yield the floor.

We have a lot of PC language today. Probably that is what it is. A way to look at it is this. IF you do your job well and run your business profitably, you make money. When you do, you might hire more people and thus a "job creator". When you take that money home and spend it, you are also creating a job in a sense. Either way, it is just nice words in the hopes that others drink the Kool Aid. Much like a politician telling you how infurated he is at wrong doing, or how sad he is when something bad happens or how a company tells you that they are on your side, behind you all the way, etc, etc.

People are idiots and need to be spoon-fed pablum like this. We ask for the truth but the fact is we cannot handle that truth. We want to be told nice things and that it all works out for the best, "and they lived happily ever after", yada, yada, yada. Take 2 companies that offer the EXACT same thing. One says "I care about you" and the other says "I am here to make money". Who do you think people (besides me) will flock to? Probably the nicer sounding one. That kind of crap works for the simple fact that we want to hear the nice stuff.

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99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

It's just rhetoric.

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I have often thought I create more jobs when I buy a new piece of equipment than when I expand a labor force.

And when buying used equipment one also creates jobs due to the fact that many people selling used are doing so in order to buy new.

Even What's A "Small Business" Is Complicated When You Check Who is a Small Business

The result, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, is that only 3 percent of all “small businesses” paying taxes would be affected by Obama’s plan to lift marginal tax rates on families making more than $250,000 and individuals making more than $200,000.

Want equality? Tax every person equally.

I have long said a POS tax (WITH NO BREAKS OR OTHER TAXES) is the fairest. Buy $500 of stuff? Get taxed X%. No ands, buts or ifs.

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

A Piece of S hit tax?
That would unfairly burden WalMart shoppers.

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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

You may have just coined a new term. It is apt.

Perhaps you should get a copyright on it?

I see you've mastered the game...

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'06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod)

Sh it yeah, ain't my first rodeo.

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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

How would it be "unfair" to ANYONE?

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

"Risk" and "Reward" are terms intertwined with involvement any investment, of any kind, so far as I understand it.

Even in some things as tangential to this discussion as the contemplation of MARRIAGE...

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1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

2u if u r constipated.

edit: lolz

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Everything is risk vs reward. We do this to get that but we also could lose our stake. We risk going out to hunt because we get the reward of food but we could also be hurt or killed.

As long as we are not talking private rewards and public risk or vice versa, play ball

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow