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aklim · #76 12-12-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

They should work them until they drop and then shoot them where they fall. No, wait, bullets cost money. We can do this cheaper. Club them in the head, you can reuse a club. But wait someone has to swing the club and we might have to pay them. No wait, we can just club him in the head at the end of the day and we won't have to pay him. But wait, all of the blood might make the slope slippery and we might all fall in the sea. But maybe that's good. Whoever is left standing gets all of the money. But wait, where will he spend it to show how he is superior. Wait and who will be left to see how superior he his.

We end up on the bathroom wall at the home for the criminally insane, again.

So what exactly are you telling me here? That you are too weak and/or stupid to stand up for yourself? I have seen bosses worried about their good employees jumping ship. I have seen good, and thus invaluable employees demanding "significant raises next eval or else we walk" literally. But maybe I am taking about good people while you are talking about dross or mediocre people. As such, there might be a difference.

You, maybe. Me, not yet so there is no "again", at least for me. I'd rather not speak for you.

aklim · #77 12-12-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

Yup, people aren't property. Or livestock. Historically this point seems to be a precursor for the great crimes against humanity.

Nonsense. Nobody is calling them property. Slavery was abolished so I can't legally own anyone. As to livestock, I have seen some people that are worth less than livestock. Your value is what you make of yourself. If you are worthless, you better hope I consider you livestock and thus have some value. If you are excellent, I might just be pushing others aside that I might figuratively kiss your ass. Where you lie in that scale is up to you.

t walgamuth · #78 12-12-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You never heard the phrase "The devil is in the details"?

I am well aware of that phrase and I believe it. Nevertheless they simply don't have time to read every word of every bill and if anything is to be accomplished I suspect dividing up the work is necessary in most cases.

t walgamuth · #79 12-12-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How was my vote suppressed? I was allowed to vote even for Obama twice so I am not sure how my vote was suppressed.

Lets go with that. So it is about political power and now the unions which have owned the Democrats are losing money and their purchased group has to step in?

Absolutely. Got a Twinkie?

I think I can bargain for myself without someone holding my hand, thank you very much. If I cannot, I deserve whatever is slopped onto my plate.

And the sky will fall?

Jobs are being lost, businesses are being closed. So yes, you are lucky to have a job in these times. If you don't think so, get fired and see if it is better.

I see. So we have the unions but no World War III so we need one? Again, that is ancient history, assuming it is true. Lets talk of more recent history and the different law changes that weren't there. If you change factors, your history is merely a poor hint at what might happen.

And Democrats are not going to be happy till there is a union in every shop and their masters are satisfied? How's that as a flip side?

I think not.

you're such a big man go try to negotiate with the mine owner in a one employer town in coal country.

aklim · #80 12-12-2012, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I am well aware of that phrase and I believe it. Nevertheless they simply don't have time to read every word of every bill and if anything is to be accomplished I suspect dividing up the work is necessary in most cases.

Of course they don't have the time to read every word of the bill. When you are too busy trying to take a good bill and stuff it with pork so that the President gets a hostage situation, it is hard to find the time to read everything that your colleague wrote. Maybe they should stick to arguing about that one item and not make it a pork fest for all to stick their own crap in it.

aklim · #81 12-12-2012, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

you're such a big man go try to negotiate with the mine owner in a one employer town in coal country.

Adapt and overcome. That or die. IF you find that he is not paying you what you think you are worth, adapt. Find another profession, move to another town or both. There are a lot of India-trained physicians here that aren't paid what they think they can get here as opposed to in their home countries. They are now here. Perhaps that is something to emulate? What would YOU do in your scenario? Hopefully, you move to a different place where you are paid more or change to a better paying profession.

I worked at a major electronics store, didn't do the job well and was shoved around like garbage by my supervisor. I didn't like it. Made myself so much better that department heads wanted to recruit me. Sure, it was difficult. Yes, it was time consuming to learn all their products you are selling down to the specs and what not. Yes, it was difficult to see exactly what the store values. Selling one $300 printer doesn't make as much money as say a computer service plan, profit wise. Yes you have to input the items into the computer to see where the profit was. It was worth it in the end to be able to tell a supervisor to fire me if he could and have him walk away in a huff. Adapt and overcome. Wasn't easy. Nothing good is ever easily achieved. Yes, I had to keep doing that same thing to keep current with the latest offerings the company had but if you want to be good, work at it. Otherwise, be dross and get kicked around by that mining company. The choice is yours. Choose wisely. Or not.

Mark Rapier · #82 12-12-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

you're such a big man go try to negotiate with the mine owner in a one employer town in coal country.

If the people in the town left and moved elsewhere the mine owner would have to change the compensation he was offering to entice workers to operate his business and make a profit. No one and no family is required to stay someplace where the can't survive and prosper, in fact the mobility of the population has been one of the most consistent phenomena in our country's history.

That's one of the reasons that the founding fathers in authoring and approving the COTUS included the Privileges and Immunities Clause in Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1, and the SCOTUS has in numerous subsequent cases decreed "right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them."

aklim · #83 12-12-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

If the people in the town left and moved elsewhere the mine owner would have to change the compensation he was offering to entice workers to operate his business and make a profit. No one and no family is required to stay someplace where the can't survive and prosper, in fact the mobility of the population has been one of the most consistent phenomena in our country's history.

That's one of the reasons that the founding fathers in authoring and approving the COTUS included the Privileges and Immunities Clause in Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1, and the SCOTUS has in numerous subsequent cases decreed "right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them."

Sounds to me like he wants everything to be easy and smooth. Unfortunately, the world is a harsh place. Oh my, it is difficult to get up and move to greener pastures. WTF!! Retrain for another job!!! Can I have my living on a platter, please? Silver would be nice. Thanks.

anthonyb · #84 12-12-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

If the people in the town left and moved elsewhere the mine owner would have to change the compensation he was offering to entice workers to operate his business and make a profit. No one and no family is required to stay someplace where the can't survive and prosper, in fact the mobility of the population has been one of the most consistent phenomena in our country's history.

That's one of the reasons that the founding fathers in authoring and approving the COTUS included the Privileges and Immunities Clause in Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1, and the SCOTUS has in numerous subsequent cases decreed "right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them."

I doubt many middle class families would consider moving to another city a reasonable or financially viable solution to unemployment. I certainly wouldn't.

aklim · #85 12-13-2012, 12:18 AM

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I doubt many middle class families would consider moving to another city a reasonable or financially viable solution to unemployment. I certainly wouldn't.

I would and I have.

After studying and almost finishing her RN degree, wife was diagnosed with lupus. Knew that she would not always be able to be as physical as the job required. She didn't lay down and gave up. She worked for a while and did her 40 hrs a week for several years WHILE doing her masters class to be a Nurse Practitioner. Adapt and over come or die. She chose the former. Before that, she was shunted into a stupid worthless degree course by her former country. Came here and found that the degree wasn't worth the paper it was printed on or even worth a roll of toilet paper. She went to RN school.

I guess we either aren't middle class or we are unique for middle class.

Mark Rapier · #86 12-13-2012, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonyb

I doubt many middle class families would consider moving to another city a reasonable or financially viable solution to unemployment. I certainly wouldn't.

If they where hungry enough or had a desire to better their lives and the lives of their offspring they would, and those that wouldn't don't deserve anything!

Millions of of individuals and families have throughout not only our nation's history but world history, or haven't you heard about the Pilgrims.

Don't mistake your own lack of initiative for the norm.

aklim · #87 12-13-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

If they where hungry enough or had a desire to better their lives and the lives of their offspring they would, and those that wouldn't don't deserve anything!

Millions of of individuals and families have throughout not only our nation's history but world history, or haven't you heard about the Pilgrims.

Don't mistake your own lack of initiative for the norm.

Problem is we won't leave them to their devices. Starvation is a great motivator. Both to the person and others watching him/her.

Actually, even the "yellow n1ggers" that they brought in to work on the railroad were interesting. Worked harder and paid less by the white man but saved more.

He might be right though. It might be becoming the norm with our entitlement society thinking the world owes them a living.

Mark Rapier · #88 12-13-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Problem is we won't leave them to their devices. Starvation is a great motivator. Both to the person and others watching him/her.

Actually, even the "yellow n1ggers" that they brought in to work on the railroad were interesting. Worked harder and paid less by the white man but saved more.

He might be right though. It might be becoming the norm with our entitlement society thinking the world owes them a living.

If a society subsidizes ignorance and weakness they only get more ignorance and weakness!

The progressives have done everything to remove shame from the equation, people used to be ashamed and society shunned those who would or could not fend for thenselves. Shame is a great motivator so it has to be eliminated! It's sad state that can't end well.

Skid Row Joe · #89 12-13-2012, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Absolutely! There was a time when unions were absolutely necessary. Now is a different time. Now it's time for them to go away!

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I've worked in a union shop once...UAW. One thing I learned is that the union is there to help those that don't want to work. Those that worked hard were told to slow.

If not buying American cars, (if I can help it) will help put the unions out-of-business, then I'll do what I can to go to my grave never buying another American car, new or used. 33 years running (1979) since the last American car was purchased here.

t walgamuth · #90 12-13-2012, 06:35 AM

Moving to another town sounds fine to you but to many people it is not a viable option.