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Old 02-11-2013, 07:57 PM
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I prefer a banking system with a wholly differant 'philosophy' from the conventional western outlook of finance.

For instance : Money is a simple means of exchange and not an assett, and therefore should not grow over time.
Money should be used for a proper economic purpose and not treated as a commodity on which return can be made by referance to time.

The purpose of these measures of course is to prevent exploitation from the use of money and to share profits and loss.
Money is a commodity like any other.

Increasing the efficiencies of exchange increase the profit of the exchanger and make it cheaper for the buyer. Failing to make a profit from money exchange carries us back to the European middle ages in which the profit motive for money was zero. It was a Christian sin to make money off money exchange. It also allowed the prince to control all money and transactions since the prince controlled the currency and determined its value.

This is what will happen in any market when we allow the exchange to be controlled by a centralized authority.

Take for example, the dollar. How much is a dollar worth, in gold? Has gold changed value or has the dollar? How did that happen?

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Old 02-11-2013, 10:05 PM
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Prices at the grocery store are trying.....

The average consumer could care less where their food comes from, as long as it's cheap, and it's plentyful. Which is why we have the problems we have.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:09 PM
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What is a "tall boy?"
I think it's actually called a '' high boy '' which is a self propelled, agricultural sprayer, that can run through high crops such as corn.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:36 PM
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I think it's actually called a '' high boy '' which is a self propelled, agricultural sprayer, that can run through high crops such as corn.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:38 PM
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"Profit is made from increasing efficiencies."

That's a plain fact, not a moral judgement. That you find it inadequate is a moral judgement, not a fact. That you offer no solution but decry what you perceive as inadequate is cursing the darkness instead of lighting a lamp.

Go light the lamp or continue to curse the darkness in frustration, blaming it on 'the man'.

No lamp around? Invent a better source. Or whine.
You're looking at an incomplete set of data, that and regurgitating your dogma. I'm a big fan of efficiency. I'm not blaming the man, I'm casting aspersions on pea-brained greed. Gold has its uses in the world but piling it in some basement vault as a means of better hoarding wealth strikes me as less beneficial to the world than access to fresh water.

Solution? Yeah, let's band together and prevent people from despoiling valuable resources in service of short term profit. In progress as we speak.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:15 AM
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Money is a commodity like any other.

Increasing the efficiencies of exchange increase the profit of the exchanger and make it cheaper for the buyer. Failing to make a profit from money exchange carries us back to the European middle ages in which the profit motive for money was zero. It was a Christian sin to make money off money exchange. It also allowed the prince to control all money and transactions since the prince controlled the currency and determined its value.

This is what will happen in any market when we allow the exchange to be controlled by a centralized authority.

Take for example, the dollar. How much is a dollar worth, in gold? Has gold changed value or has the dollar? How did that happen?
Western banking 'thinking' left everyne affected by the Financial meltdown.
Some problems are that western banking indulges in investing in toxic assets and in leveraged funds. Niether of which supports the real economy.
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Another good eample of a craving for profit that has nothing to do with efficiency hits close to home for me: the housing bubble. Fools across the spectrum thought they were going to cement their financial future in the 'wealthy' category by building houses like there was no tomorrow, often using cheap illegal labor. Now there's a glut on the market and gentlepersons like me are semi-adrift, hunting for a way to pay the bills.
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Another good eample of a craving for profit that has nothing to do with efficiency hits close to home for me: the housing bubble. Fools across the spectrum thought they were going to cement their financial future in the 'wealthy' category by building houses like there was no tomorrow, often using cheap illegal labor. Now there's a glut on the market and gentlepersons like me are semi-adrift, hunting for a way to pay the bills.
Those homes are all going to need to be caught up on the deferred maintenance, so they are a gold mine for people with your skills.... provided the market turns enough that they get lived in rather than razed...
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:22 PM
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You're looking at an incomplete set of data, that and regurgitating your dogma. I'm a big fan of efficiency. I'm not blaming the man, I'm casting aspersions on pea-brained greed. Gold has its uses in the world but piling it in some basement vault as a means of better hoarding wealth strikes me as less beneficial to the world than access to fresh water.

Solution? Yeah, let's band together and prevent people from despoiling valuable resources in service of short term profit. In progress as we speak.
I wrote, "Profit come sfrom increasing efficiencies."

To which you responded, "You're looking at an incomplete set of data, that and regurgitating your dogma."

You could be right. But you offer no proof. In contrast, I offer you the worldwide market and human history as evidence in support of my contention.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:23 PM
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Another good eample of a craving for profit that has nothing to do with efficiency hits close to home for me: the housing bubble. Fools across the spectrum thought they were going to cement their financial future in the 'wealthy' category by building houses like there was no tomorrow, often using cheap illegal labor. Now there's a glut on the market and gentlepersons like me are semi-adrift, hunting for a way to pay the bills.
A free market does nothing to guarantee that a fool and his money cannot be parted. In does in fact, punish people for being foolish.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:34 PM
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Those homes are all going to need to be caught up on the deferred maintenance, so they are a gold mine for people with your skills.... provided the market turns enough that they get lived in rather than razed...
That's true, things usually balance out. At this point I'm doing fairly well with kitchen remodels, maintenance, etc. Houses break, regularly.

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