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Old 02-27-2013, 01:38 PM
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Looks like Ohbummah is meeting with the Congresstrash on Friday to discuss sequestration. i.e., nothing will be done till day T+1 (Friday is already March 1). Here's hoping!

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It's all part of the deal Obama signed in 2011 to take effect if Congress doesn't come to a budget agreement. It was meant to be so distasteful to both sides that there would be no way it would come to pass. Yet here we are. The 20% cut is for a fixed length of time only, not sure how many weeks or months. So even though there is a 20% weekly cut now, over the year it might really be equal to 5 or 10%.

I'm doing my best to follow your math here. Annual budget calls for spending about $3.8T in spending. The sequester cuts an annual $85B. Please tell me how you get 20% from that.

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I'm doing my best to follow your math here. Annual budget calls for spending about $3.8T in spending. The sequester cuts an annual $85B. Please tell me how you get 20% from that.

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20% cut out of their paycheck.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:44 PM
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What about all of those German POW's that sat in prison camps for several years! No trial! No charges!
Actually the POW's had jobs and a salary. They could also work outside the camp if they were of the correct rank and wanted to.

There were camps where the real die-hard Nazi's were sent to and those were prisons. But they still got paid if they worked inside the Camp.

The remains of a POW camp are only a few miles from my house and there are still lots of folks around here that remember these guys and can tell lots of weird stories.
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:05 PM
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Actually the POW's had jobs and a salary. They could also work outside the camp if they were of the correct rank and wanted to.

There were camps where the real die-hard Nazi's were sent to and those were prisons. But they still got paid if they worked inside the Camp.

The remains of a POW camp are only a few miles from my house and there are still lots of folks around here that remember these guys and can tell lots of weird stories.
We once met an older German couple and the man told us how much he loved America and especially Texas and how friendly the people were. I asked him when he had visited the states; he told me 1943 and had stayed there a couple of years...
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Old 02-27-2013, 05:54 PM
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We once met an older German couple and the man told us how much he loved America and especially Texas and how friendly the people were. I asked him when he had visited the states; he told me 1943 and had stayed there a couple of years...
Back when I used to run a house-building project, my mason was from Germany. U boat officer. POW. Liked it here in the US, but had to go back home to get his money from the bank. ha ha ha he paid to go from the USA to Germany, and he paid to return. There was no money left in any bank. He laughed at his own silliness in even thinking that there would be something there.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:36 PM
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Actually the POW's had jobs and a salary. They could also work outside the camp if they were of the correct rank and wanted to.
Exactly -- we treated German and Japanese POWs better than we treat the Guantanamo detainee today. Pretty sad how far downhill our idea of human rights has gone in some areas.
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20% cut out of their paycheck.
Yep.

The sequestration is only about 2.2% of the total budget.

It's 20% of my budget.
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Yep.

The sequestration is only about 2.2% of the total budget.

It's 20% of my budget.
Guess gov't employees need to learn that, just like in private industry, they can be kicked off the gravy train too. Just make sure not to touch the 3rd rail on their way down!
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Guess gov't employees need to learn that, just like in private industry, they can be kicked off the gravy train too. Just make sure not to touch the 3rd rail on their way down!
Funny thing.

I just move from private industry to government less than 24 months ago.

My entire team just got insourced from contractor to government.

Where is this gravy train you refer too. Things have always been tight here where I work, private or government. I don't know what imaginary world you are refering too.

Evidently, many people have some misconceptions about how "well" compensated the worker bees are.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:24 PM
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Exactly -- we treated German and Japanese POWs better than we treat the Guantanamo detainee today. Pretty sad how far downhill our idea of human rights has gone in some areas.
Did you read his whole account -- the part about the ardent Nazis? Why were none of them given a trial?
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:28 PM
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Funny thing.

I just move from private industry to government less than 24 months ago.

My entire team just got insourced from contractor to government.

Where is this gravy train you refer too. Things have always been tight here where I work, private or government. I don't know what imaginary world you are refering too.

Evidently, many people have some misconceptions about how "well" compensated the worker bees are.
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Did you read his whole account -- the part about the ardent Nazis? Why were none of them given a trial?
Do we have any evidence that most of the people in Guantanamo are "ardent al Qaeda sympathizers," as opposed to some poor 16-year old (at the time) who got roped into fighting for them, and ended up kidnapped by US troops?
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:15 PM
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Do we have any evidence that most of the people in Guantanamo are "ardent al Qaeda sympathizers," as opposed to some poor 16-year old (at the time) who got roped into fighting for them, and ended up kidnapped by US troops?
According to the US gov the prisoners at Guantanamo are the worst of the worst. That's why Obama wanted to transfer them all to a stateside supermax. He couldn't do that so he left them in place.

Is it your argument that a 16 yr-old couldn't be trained to be a soldier? Or that a 16 yr-old is incompetent to understand the consequences of his actions?
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According to the US gov the prisoners at Guantanamo are the worst of the worst. That's why Obama wanted to transfer them all to a stateside supermax. He couldn't do that so he left them in place.

Is it your argument that a 16 yr-old couldn't be trained to be a soldier? Or that a 16 yr-old is incompetent to understand the consequences of his actions?
A 16-year old with limited literacy, knowledge of the world, and knowledge of the laws of war may well NOT have known the potential consequences of fighting for al Qaeda. All he may have known is that he was killing invaders or "bad people."

When we talk about an Afghan village, we're not talking about Podunk, MO, with access to books, the intarwebs, and CNN.


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