Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 3211183)

What more could you possibly need?

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3211072)

If you want to eat, make friends and understand the people where you live there is no better way than to learn the local speak. :)

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211143)

Oh man, you have some really weird race issues. I never said it's ok to say n***** at a football match or in public for that matter, maybe my wording created that confusion.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3210991)

Blacks can yell n**** because it's a word that was used to put them down by whites. Their only weapon to make that word less hurtful is by using it in another contest.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3211227)

Is your memory ok?
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In Micronesia there are black people who skin color is darker than those who's genes are traced to Africa. The other genetic groups have lighter skin but it's still brown. There are very very few who can trace their genes to africa- yet some of the USA's culture and music are in the major islands. The Micronesian will call each other "nig*er" as a fond term. They've never had a slave nor lived in a society of slave culture- save their own past which could be violent.

Will you tell them that they hate blacks and they are racist for using the "N" word?
You can enter a person's mind you've never met and interpret what they are thinking? What a unique ability!! Why aren't you a billionaire and famous?

I find your argument why one "race" (whose members you fail to define) can use a vulgar and offensive term with impunity full of so many holes it wouldn't even make a net- much less hold water. MLK jr/'s dream was that skin color would NEVER be used to allow one group to do something and forbidden to other groups. You think I have weird race issues? I think there is ONE race- the human race. That's weird to you? I get offended when "Run Nig*er, RUN!" is yelled at a public youth soccer game. That's weird to you? I don't discriminate or differentiate based on skin color- AS YOU DO- and that's weird? We certainly don't need more people like you here in the USA.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211243)

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Where do you get the idea from that I discriminate, I'm confused. Or is it because I'm of the opinion that some people can use the word and others can't and you feel discriminated because you can't use it?
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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3210991)

It's not some races, it's only one.
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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211143)

Oh man, you have some really weird race issues. I never said it's ok to say n***** at a football match or in public for that matter, maybe my wording created that confusion.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211243)

What's your opinion about the Confederate flag, a symbol extremely offensive to some, still a lot of people find it their right to wave it around?

Originally Posted by P.C. (Post 3210519)

You should mind your own business.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3211247)

dis·crim·i·nate
disˈkriməˌnāt/
verb
verb: discriminate; 3rd person present: discriminates; past tense: discriminated; past participle: discriminated; gerund or present participle: discriminating

1.
recognize a distinction; differentiate.
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2.
make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, sex, or age.

You allow ONE race to use the word "Nig*er" . That fits the definitions of discrimination above in every way. Yes, you are confused; I agree. I'm not even sure you know what you are saying if you think you are not discriminating when you say people of one skin color can do something others that do not share the same skin color are forbid to do.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3211268)

What has anyone's opinion got to do with it? Under the first amendment, you don't have to like it but we don't get to pick and choose which time you like to support, not agree, support it. I don't like the Klan either but I have to support their right to exist. I agree that they are racist in that they allow only certain races to participate but same as the Black (Insert Group here) of America. As long as it is a private group and not funded by taxpayers, I support their right to discriminate whether it is for or against me.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211425)

For your satisfaction yes I discriminate. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211441)

The flag is just as offensive as the word n***** to a lot of people, I was curious about his opinion because of how he feels about the "N" word. For me personally I don't really have a problem with both, but when words or actions are offensive to others I tend to not use them anymore out of respect for their feelings.

Discriminate in private is fine but in public it's a problem, whats the difference?

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3210804)

I had a roof replaced for a long time client a couple of weeks ago. The owner of the company was Caucasian. The crew had a young black man as the foreman and the rest appeared to be Mexican. The young black man was extremely courteous to me and to his workers. The Mexican men were very very verbal, kidding each other and the foreman constantly, including the subject of race. I did not see any tension but I suppose it may have been there just under the surface. They all worked very hard and with a lot of skill. I was impressed.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3210813)

That has to do with turf and low paid jobs; blacks are pushed out of traditional black neighborhoods by new latino immigrants. This is nothing new, the same thing happened between Italians and Jews, Irish and blacks, Italians and Irish, etc etc.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3211441)

Discriminate in private is fine but in public it's a problem, whats the difference?

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3211494)

The easiest, cheapest and fastest way to stop racism is to stop making people feel like they are part of "X" race.

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 3211186)

No sabía que era tu hermana!

Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3212140)

Pardon it if you want to. I'll pass. He's an @ss.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3211047)

Are for effin real? I nearly spit my coffee on the computer.

Please show some proof that the blacks lineage were "enslaved" are worse off than those who were not. Then please prove my son is not black.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F-_6sB6Vn0...252Balbino.jpg

Is society to allow these people to yell it?

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3212347)

Whoa.

I find it highly plausible that systematic disruption of the family structure would lead to less healthy individuals. Not sure proof of such a thing will be easy to come by. I believe it's sort of a working hypothesis.

Those people will use the words they choose. If indeed they are albinos of African heritage, I can only imagine other blacks will not object to them using the word. If they live in some African nations, their troubles will go far beyond the words they use. Some African cultures believe that consuming the flesh of albinos will yield them strength and various powers.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212422)

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212446)

Same could be said for a persons religious preference.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212490)

Religious affiliation/practice is a choice- skin color is not. So the same could not be said.

Besides- some religions are violent; for example Satanism is a religion which has more violent traits than Buddhism.

You should start a thread about this topic if you feel there is a valid discussion needed.

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212566)

No.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212573)

Wouldn't expect you to. I mean,why not inject how superior the sad faith is everywhere you can instead of limited audience?

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212583)

That's not the point...the point was confirmed by MTU once he differentiated between 2 different religions...saying 1 was considered to be violent...and another not.

In essence, his response makes his words hollow when he claims everyone should stand up and speak out against discrimination based on skin color..when in fact by his own admission he is discriminateing against 1 religion based on his assumption that said is violent.

And No, I do not wish to go round and round with you for the next 10 pages...been there,,,it's a zero sum game.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212422)

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3212616)

I agree that it's not good for people to excuse their own failings, laziness, etc. on something that happened generations ago. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some effect. Irish immigrants did not have their families regularly pulled apart, with various members sent far and wide, and in that day, a family member on a farm 30 miles away may as well have been in Tasmania, particularly regarding slaves. This went on for a century or two, and the Jim Crow era was not exactly a new day in all ways.

Somehow it seems different in this setting, that is, anonymous and at some distance.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212611)

So tell me about Buddhist violence in comparison

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3212772)

Wasn't there a ruckus in SE Asia recently in which Buddhists were attacking Muslims?

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3212422)

I agree that immediate family disruption will lead to a general downward trend in most people. How far back you wish to take that goes way too deep into speculation for me when you say that someone's great great great grandfather was a slave so the family was disrupted and so I can see why this person is poor/uneducated/likely to commit crimes etc. It then becomes an excuse IMHO. Tens of millions of non black families have been disrupted and we don't give them that excuse. How about the mass of Irish which came and had family disruptions? Or the Vietnamese? Or the Chinese?

I guess I can imagine some other "blacks" (are the people in the pic "black"?) would not object- but I would- and many others would. I don't use skin color to make a determination of what one person is allowed to do/not do- nor do I approve of anyone using skin color as a basis for discrimination.

We cannot influence other nations much as individuals here in the USA- but as a whole we can. We as a people need to stand up, come together, and NEVER allow people to discriminate by skin color- no matter what the good intentions are.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3212922)

When you disrupt social hierarchy in families or tribes it's very hard, if not impossible to get it back.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212655)

So when do you put all that aside and try to work towards a better future? History is rather fascinating but meaningless from the standpoint that circumstances change and using it to predict the future is a SWAG at best. Not to say your blind squirrel cannot find a nut every now and then. It matters little what put you in the hole. First action is to find a way out or make it better. Helping you only goes so far. Sure, I can open the door but if you refuse to walk thru, I cannot help you. The Japanese could pull themselves out of their hole. Remember when they made junk and were predicted to always be a junk pile? Today, if it wasn't for the Bush-Obama Bailout, What would the Big 3 be again?

Only to a person's mind which plays tricks on them often.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3212939)

I'd say that's ongoing at this point in time. Plenty of blacks have done the bootstraps routine and are the better for it. Many others have not.

When trying to cure disease, doctors generally like to know a little about a patient's history.

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212877)

Score one for the Buddhists. How many suicide bombers again?

Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3212925)

And? Everything can disrupt it too. It was disrupted when women entered the workforce, for example. I don't see you calling for women to stay at home, barefoot and pregnant. WWII brought women out. Same thing.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3213026)

No it wasn't. Mommy is still coming home at night.

Originally Posted by chilcutt (Post 3212583)

That's not the point...the point was confirmed by MTU once he differentiated between 2 different religions...saying 1 was considered to be violent...and another not.

In essence, his response makes his words hollow when he claims everyone should stand up and speak out against discrimination based on skin color..when in fact by his own admission he is discriminateing against 1 religion based on his assumption that said is violent.

And No, I do not wish to go round and round with you for the next 10 pages...been there,,,it's a zero sum game.

Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3212922)

When you disrupt social hierarchy in families or tribes it's very hard, if not impossible to get it back.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3213049)

How many Jewish families were "disrupted" in the 1930's and 1940's? How many Irish families were "disrupted" during the great Potato famine? How many Vietnamese families were disrupted during the war there and afterward when they came here? Again more holes than a net in your thinking.

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3212616)

I agree that it's not good for people to excuse their own failings, laziness, etc. on something that happened generations ago. But that doesn't mean that there isn't some effect. Irish immigrants did not have their families regularly pulled apart, with various members sent far and wide, and in that day, a family member on a farm 30 miles away may as well have been in Tasmania, particularly regarding slaves. This went on for a century or two, and the Jim Crow era was not exactly a new day in all ways.

Your splitting hairs on the word black regarding the albinos you pictured is on the edge of obnoxious, sorry to tell you. Not sure why you're so obsessed with the issue. Regarding the incident that you described in the OP, I'd go with the advice of Lao Tzu:

He who is wise keeps silent, he who advises is a fool.

A bit of irony here as I'm giving advice just by saying it. Somehow it seems different in this setting, that is, anonymous and at some distance.

Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 3213048)

Start your thread about religious discrimination and make a point we can talk about. You have not made any point - so you can't "confirm" a point you did not make. Otherwise there was nothing intelligent which deserves a response- you apparently do not understand that skin color is not a choice but practicing a religion is; or you do understand and you are being an a$$.

By the way- when you are typing and a little red line appears under the word- IT'S MISSPELLED. You don't need to know how to spell- and it's obviously not a strong point of yours- you just need to be able to see the red line. If you can't figure out how to spell it- then google the word and google will show you the proper spelling.